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|4<ref>2x {{Equipment/Link|5inch Single Gun Mount Mk.30|text=base 5" Gun}} on Fletcher-class gives ~10 accuracy. This is potentially a bug.</ref> | |4<ref>2x {{Equipment/Link|5inch Single Gun Mount Mk.30|text=base 5" Gun}} on Fletcher-class gives ~10 accuracy. This is potentially a bug.</ref> | ||
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|4<ref>Samuel B.Roberts does not seem to receive any bonus from {{Equipment/Link|5inch Single Gun Mount Mk.30|text=base 5" Gun}}. This is possibly a bug (''maybe related to the bug on Fletcher-class'').</ref> | |4<ref>Samuel B.Roberts does not seem to receive any bonus from {{Equipment/Link|5inch Single Gun Mount Mk.30|text=base 5" Gun}}. This is possibly a bug (''maybe related to the bug on Fletcher-class'').</ref> | ||
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Revision as of 14:28, 19 August 2022
The "hidden fit bonus" mechanic refers to some ships receiving bonuses or penalties when equipping certain equipment, depending on if the equipment "fits" the class or not.
- This almost exclusively refers to main guns, where each class of ship is engineered to carry up to certain gun calibers, and so, equipping gun turrets of the right caliber or lower will imply an accuracy bonus, whereas using larger calibers will result in some overweight penalties.
- Not to be confused with visible Equipment Bonuses.
As hidden bonuses are unaffected by morale or fleet types (e.g. combined fleets), it can be interesting to utilize those fit bonuses as much as possible.
Such fit mechanics do not apply to abyssals.[1]
Large Caliber Main Guns
Battleships receive accuracy bonuses if the guns are fit and accuracy penalties if its overweight[1]. How much bonus/penalty a ship receives, depends on the battleship class, the caliber and type of the gun, and whether the battle takes place during day or night.
Ship Class | (P)35.6cm(DC), 38cm(K), 30.5cm(K), 38.1cm (/N) |
38cmQ, 38cmQK |
381mm, 381mmK |
41cm | 16inch (United States Navy) | 16inch (Royal Navy) | 46cm | P51cm, 51cm |
51cm Triple | |||||||||||||||||
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41cm, Proto, Kai |
3K2 | 2K2 | Mk.7 | Mk.7 +GFCS |
Mk.6 mod.2 |
Mk.I | +AFCT | Kai +FCR |
Proto | 46cm | Kai | |||||||||||||||
Gangut | +7 30.5cm: +10 |
0 | +1 | -7 | -3 | -9~10? | ?? | ?? | -7 | -18 | ?? | N/A | ||||||||||||||
Kongou-class |
+7 | 0 | -2 | -5 | -5? | -5 | -6~7? | -5 | -6 | -3 | -7 | -10 | -10? | |||||||||||||
Bismarck Vittorio Veneto-class |
+4 | 0? | +1 | -5 | -5 | -4? | -5 | ?? | ?? | -7 | -10 | ?? | ||||||||||||||
Iowa | +4? | 0? | -2? | -5 | 0 | +2 | -7 | -10 | ?? | |||||||||||||||||
South Dakota | -5 M: +4.6 |
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Richelieu | +4 | +4~5 | -2 | -5 | -5 | -7 | -14? | -8 | -7 | -10 | ?? | |||||||||||||||
Warspite | +6 38.1cm: +8 |
+1~2 | +2 | -2? | +5 | ?? | +3~4 | -8 | -11 | ?? | ||||||||||||||||
Nelson | 0 | 0 | +3? | 0 | 0 | |||||||||||||||||||||
Ise-class Kai/Fusou-class Kai/Ni |
+4 | 0 | +2 | +2 | 0 | 0? | -3 | -7 F+: -11? |
-4? | |||||||||||||||||
Ise-class Kai Ni |
+4? | 0? | +4? | +4? | +6 | +2 | ?? | -7 F+: -11? |
?? | |||||||||||||||||
Ise/Fusou-classes Base |
+2 | 0? | +2 | +2 | +2 | +2? | +3 | -3 | -7 | ?? | ||||||||||||||||
Nagato-class |
0 | ?? | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
Nagato-class Kai Ni |
+2? | 0? | +2? | +5 | +5 | +5~6 | 0 | +4 | -2? | -4? | -6? | Nagato: -5 Mutsu: -8 |
?? | |||||||||||||
Yamato-class |
0 | +3 | +3 | +7 | 0 | ?? | ||||||||||||||||||||
Yamato Kai Ni[2] (FBB) | 0 | ?? | -7 | ?? | ?? | -10 | ||||||||||||||||||||
Note: Fit gun mechanics are still being investigated to this day, hence the values are not final and may be subject to changes. Values with a question mark either mean that it is not conclusive yet or the conclusion drawn here is not the same as the one drawn by Yumeji.
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Last Updated: Aug 24th 2020 | Made by: Tsubakura |
More generally, the accuracy offset can be defined with the formula:
[math]\displaystyle{ W = \sum^{\text{All Classes}} \left ( C_{k} M_{k} \sqrt{N_{k}} \right ) \% }[/math]
Where:
- [math]\displaystyle{ W }[/math] is the resulting fit bonus or overweight penalty
- [math]\displaystyle{ C_{k} }[/math] is the main coefficient of the equipped gun class. Refer to the above table for the coefficients applied to each Battleship for their respective guns.
- [math]\displaystyle{ M_{k} }[/math] is the marriage coefficient for the particular gun class. Assumes a value of 0.6 if the ship is married, and if the main coefficient is negative.
- [math]\displaystyle{ N_{k} }[/math] is the number of equipped guns for that gun class.
Native Guns
Since gun overweight penalty and fit bonuses are not yet all measured for some guns and ships, here is a list of the guns natively used/planed to be used in real life by each ship class.
- The "Twin/Triple" mount distinction is made for convenience, triple guns being heavier than their twin counterpart.
- Equipping ships with those guns may not always be optimal, but this should avoid most overweight penalties.
Large Guns | ||||
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Nation | Class | Caliber | Twin | Triple |
Japanese | Kongou-class Fusou-class Ise-class |
35.6 cm | ||
Fusou-class Kai Ni Ise-class Kai Ni Nagato-class |
41 cm | |||
Yamato-class | 46 cm | |||
Yamato-class Kai Ni | 51 cm | |||
US | Colorado-class | 40,64 cm | ||
North Carolina-class South Dakota-class |
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Iowa-class | ||||
British | Queen Elizabeth-class | 38.1 cm | ||
Nelson-class | 40,64 cm | |||
Italian | Conte di Cavour-class | 30.5 cm | ||
32 cm | ||||
Vittorio Veneto-class | 38.1 cm | |||
German | Bismarck-class | 38 cm | ||
French | Richelieu-class | 38 cm | '"Double Twin Guns" in a Quadruple Mount. |
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Russian | Gangut-class | 30.5 cm |
Medium Caliber Main Guns
This section is outdated and needs updating. Devs have tweeted about adjusting invisible fits[citation needed], some data is outdated or missing sources. Potential misinformation. |
Cruisers can receive accuracy and/or firepower bonuses from using fit guns in their load-out.
Ship Class | 14cm Single 15.2cm Single () |
14cm Twin 14cm Twin Kai |
15.2cm 15.2cmK |
Bofors 15.2cm | 15.5cm 15.5cmK |
20.3cm 20.3cm(2) 20.3cm(3) |
203mm/53 | 8inch Mk.9 8inch Mk.9 m.2 | ||||||||
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Day | Night | |||||||||||||||
CL(T) | +4N +1 | ?? | +2? +2 | +3 ?? | -2 -2N | -3N?[1] | -2 -2.5N? | -10N? | ||||||||
Agano-class |
?? | +5 +2N? +2 | -2 -2N | |||||||||||||
Ooyodo | ?? | +2? +2 | +2 | |||||||||||||
CA(V) | 0 | +5 +5N? | 0 | |||||||||||||
Mogami-class |
+2 | |||||||||||||||
Mogami-class Kai Ni |
+5 | |||||||||||||||
Zara-class |
+1 +1 | |||||||||||||||
Seaplane Tenders (AV) | -6N | -6N | -8 -10N | -8 -10N? | ||||||||||||
Note: Fit gun mechanics are still being investigated to this day, hence the values are not final and may be subject to changes. Values with a question mark mean that it is potentially outdated and might no longer be correct.
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Last Updated: June 23rd 2019 | Made by: Tsubakura |
Small Caliber Main Guns
As of 2017/06/23, Yura and Mutsuki/Kamikaze-classes of destroyers gain bonuses with some main HA guns .
Ship | 12.7 cm Single HA Mount (LM) | 12.7 cm Twin HA Mount (LM) |
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Light Cruisers (CL) | +4N | +2 +2N |
Yura Kai Ni | +4 +10N | |
Mutsuki-class |
+5 | |
Kamikaze-class |
?? | |
Unknown factors:
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Last Updated: December 5th 2018 | Made by: Tsubakura |
DD Fit Accuracy
Certain DDs have a higher-than-expected hit rate when equipped with certain guns or sonars.
- The bonus accuracy likely takes the form: [math]\displaystyle{ \text{ACCURACY}_\text{bonus} = \text{C} \times \sqrt{\text{N}} }[/math]
- N being the amount of equipment.
Known "C" values | ||
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Ship/Class | Gear | C |
Tashkent/Verniy |
130mm B-13 Twin Gun Mount | 5 |
Fletcher-class |
5" Single Gun Mount Mk.30 variants |
4[1] |
John C. Butler-class | 4[2] | |
J-class |
QF 4.7inch Gun Mk.XII Kai | 3 |
ASDICs |
3 [3] | |
Mutsuki-class |
12cm Single Gun Mount Kai 2 | 5 |
- ↑ 2x base 5" Gun on Fletcher-class gives ~10 accuracy. This is potentially a bug.
- ↑ Samuel B.Roberts does not seem to receive any bonus from base 5" Gun. This is possibly a bug (maybe related to the bug on Fletcher-class).
- ↑ There are not enough samples on more than one ASDICs
sonar so it is not clear how does the accuracy bonus scales. This bonus can stack with the accuracy bonus from QF 4.7inch Gun Mk.XII Kai.
See Also
Fit gun bonus - Reddit intermediate players' guide
Main data sources :
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