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!rowspan="2"|Ship Class | !rowspan="2"|Ship Class | ||
!rowspan="2"|({{Equipment/Link|Prototype 35.6cm Triple Gun Mount|text=P}}){{Equipment/Link|35.6cm Twin Gun Mount|text=35.6cm}}({{Equipment/Link|35.6cm Twin Gun Mount (Dazzle Camouflage)|text=DC}}),<br>{{Equipment/Link|38cm Twin Gun Mount|text=38cm}}({{Equipment/Link|38cm Twin Gun Mount Kai|text=K}}),<br>{{Equipment/Link|30.5cm Triple Gun Mount|text=30.5cm}}({{Equipment/Link|30.5cm Triple Gun Mount Kai|text=K}}),<br>{{Equipment/Link|38.1cm Mk.I Twin Gun Mount|text=38.1cm}} ({{Equipment/Link|38.1cm Mk.I/N Twin Gun Mount Kai|text=/N}}) | !rowspan="2"|({{Equipment/Link|Prototype 35.6cm Triple Gun Mount|text=P}}){{Equipment/Link|35.6cm Twin Gun Mount|text=35.6cm}}({{Equipment/Link|35.6cm Twin Gun Mount (Dazzle Camouflage)|text=DC}}),<br>{{Equipment/Link|38cm Twin Gun Mount|text=38cm}}({{Equipment/Link|38cm Twin Gun Mount Kai|text=K}}),<br>{{Equipment/Link|30.5cm Triple Gun Mount|text=30.5cm}}({{Equipment/Link|30.5cm Triple Gun Mount Kai|text=K}}),<br>{{Equipment/Link|38.1cm Mk.I Twin Gun Mount|text=38.1cm}} ({{Equipment/Link|38.1cm Mk.I/N Twin Gun Mount Kai|text=/N}}) | ||
− | !rowspan="2"|{{Equipment/Link|38cm Quadruple Gun Mount|text= | + | !rowspan="2"|{{Equipment/Link|38cm Quadruple Gun Mount|text=38cmQ}},<br>{{Equipment/Link|38cm Quadruple Gun Mount Kai|text=38cmQK}} |
!rowspan="2"|{{Equipment/Link|381mm/50 Triple Gun Mount|text=381mm}},<br>{{Equipment/Link|381mm/50 Triple Gun Mount Kai|text=381mmK}} | !rowspan="2"|{{Equipment/Link|381mm/50 Triple Gun Mount|text=381mm}},<br>{{Equipment/Link|381mm/50 Triple Gun Mount Kai|text=381mmK}} | ||
!colspan="3"|41cm | !colspan="3"|41cm | ||
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− | |{{Ship/Link|Nagato Kai Ni|text=''Nagato''-class Kai Ni|link_class=Nagato}} | + | |{{Ship/Link|Nagato Kai Ni|Mutsu Kai Ni|text=''Nagato''-class Kai Ni|link_class=Nagato}} |
|style="color:black;background-color:#C8E6C9"|<!--35.6cm --> +2? | |style="color:black;background-color:#C8E6C9"|<!--35.6cm --> +2? | ||
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+ | ===Native Guns=== | ||
+ | Since gun overweight penalty and fit bonuses are not yet all measured for some guns and ships, here is a list of the guns natively used/paned to be used in real life by each ship class. | ||
+ | *The "Twin/Triple" mount distinction is made for convenience, triple guns being heavier than their twin counterpart. | ||
+ | *''Equipping ships with those guns '''may not''' always be optimal, but this should avoid overweight penalties.'' | ||
+ | |||
+ | {|class="wikitable mw-collapsible mw-collapsed" | ||
+ | !colspan=5|{{RedGunHeavy}}[[:Category:Large Gun|Large Guns]] | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | !Nation | ||
+ | !Class | ||
+ | !Caliber | ||
+ | !Twin | ||
+ | !Triple | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | !rowspan=4|Japanese | ||
+ | ![[:Category:Kongou Class|''Kongou''-class]]<br>[[:Category:Fusou Class|''Fusou''-class]]<br>[[:Category:Ise Class|''Ise''-class]] | ||
+ | !35.6 cm | ||
+ | |{{QuestRewardEquip|35.6cm Twin Gun Mount}}{{QuestRewardEquip|35.6cm Twin Gun Mount (Dazzle Camouflage)}}{{QuestRewardEquip|35.6cm Twin Gun Mount Kai}}{{QuestRewardEquip|35.6cm Twin Gun Mount Kai Ni}} | ||
+ | |{{QuestRewardEquip|Prototype 35.6cm Triple Gun Mount}}{{QuestRewardEquip|35.6cm Triple Gun Mount Kai (Dazzle Camouflage)}} | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | ![[:Category:Fusou Class|''Fusou''-class Kai Ni]]<br>[[:Category:Ise Class|''Ise''-class Kai Ni]]<br>[[:Category:Nagato Class|''Nagato''-class]] | ||
+ | !41 cm | ||
+ | |{{QuestRewardEquip|41cm Twin Gun Mount}}{{QuestRewardEquip|41cm Twin Gun Mount Kai Ni}} | ||
+ | |{{QuestRewardEquip|Prototype 41cm Triple Gun Mount}}{{QuestRewardEquip|41cm Triple Gun Mount Kai}}{{QuestRewardEquip|41cm Triple Gun Mount Kai Ni}} | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | ![[:Category:Yamato Class|''Yamato''-class]] | ||
+ | !46 cm | ||
+ | |{{QuestRewardEquip|Prototype 46cm Twin Gun Mount}} | ||
+ | |{{QuestRewardEquip|46cm Triple Gun Mount}}{{QuestRewardEquip|46cm Triple Gun Mount Kai}} | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | ![[:Category:Yamato Class|''Yamato''-class Kai Ni]] | ||
+ | !51 cm | ||
+ | |{{QuestRewardEquip|Prototype 51cm Twin Gun Mount}}{{QuestRewardEquip|51cm Twin Gun Mount}} | ||
+ | |{{QuestRewardEquip|Prototype 51cm Triple Gun Mount}} | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | !rowspan=3|US | ||
+ | ![[:Category:Colorado Class|''Colorado''-class]] | ||
+ | !rowspan=3|40,64 cm | ||
+ | |{{QuestRewardEquip|16inch Mk.I Twin Gun Mount}}{{QuestRewardEquip|16inch Mk.V Twin Gun Mount}}{{QuestRewardEquip|16inch Mk.VIII Twin Gun Mount Kai}} | ||
+ | | | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | ![[:Category:North Carolina Class|''North Carolina''-class]]<br>[[:Category:South Dakota Class|''South Dakota''-class]] | ||
+ | | | ||
+ | |{{QuestRewardEquip|16inch Triple Gun Mount Mk.6}}{{QuestRewardEquip|16inch Triple Gun Mount Mk.6 + GFCS}}{{QuestRewardEquip|16inch Triple Gun Mount Mk.6 mod.2}} | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | ![[:Category:Iowa Class|''Iowa''-class]] | ||
+ | | | ||
+ | |{{QuestRewardEquip|16inch Triple Gun Mount Mk.7}}{{QuestRewardEquip|16inch Triple Gun Mount Mk.7 + GFCS}} | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | !rowspan=2|British | ||
+ | ![[:Category:Queen Elizabeth Class|''Queen Elizabeth''-class]] | ||
+ | !38.1 cm | ||
+ | |{{QuestRewardEquip|38.1cm Mk.I Twin Gun Mount}}{{QuestRewardEquip|38.1cm Mk.I/N Twin Gun Mount Kai}} | ||
+ | | | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | ![[:Category:Nelson Class|''Nelson''-class]] | ||
+ | !40,64 cm | ||
+ | | | ||
+ | |{{QuestRewardEquip|16inch Mk.I Triple Gun Mount}}{{QuestRewardEquip|16inch Mk.I Triple Gun Mount + AFCT Kai}}{{QuestRewardEquip|16inch Mk.I Triple Gun Mount Kai + FCR Type 284}} | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | !rowspan=3|Italian | ||
+ | !rowspan=2|[[:Category:Conte di Cavour Class|''Conte di Cavour''-class]] | ||
+ | !30.5 cm | ||
+ | |{{QuestRewardEquip|305mm/46 Twin Gun Mount}} | ||
+ | |{{QuestRewardEquip|305mm/46 Triple Gun Mount}} | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | !32 cm | ||
+ | |{{QuestRewardEquip|320mm/44 Twin Gun Mount}} | ||
+ | |{{QuestRewardEquip|320mm/44 Triple Gun Mount}} | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | ![[:Category:Vittorio Veneto Class|''Vittorio Veneto''-class]] | ||
+ | !38.1 cm | ||
+ | | | ||
+ | |{{QuestRewardEquip|381mm/50 Triple Gun Mount}}{{QuestRewardEquip|381mm/50 Triple Gun Mount Kai}} | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | !German | ||
+ | ![[:Category:Bismarck Class|''Bismarck''-class]] | ||
+ | !38 cm | ||
+ | |{{QuestRewardEquip|38cm Twin Gun Mount}}{{QuestRewardEquip|38cm Twin Gun Mount Kai}} | ||
+ | | | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | !French | ||
+ | ![[:Category:Richelieu Class|''Richelieu''-class]] | ||
+ | !38 cm | ||
+ | |{{QuestRewardEquip|38cm Quadruple Gun Mount}}{{QuestRewardEquip|38cm Quadruple Gun Mount Kai}}{{QuestRewardEquip|38cm Quadruple Gun Mount Kai Deux}}<br>'"Double Twin Guns" in a Quadruple Mount.'' | ||
+ | | | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | !Russian | ||
+ | ![[:Category:Gangut Class|''Gangut''-class]] | ||
+ | !30.5 cm | ||
+ | | | ||
+ | |{{QuestRewardEquip|30.5cm Triple Gun Mount}}{{QuestRewardEquip|30.5cm Triple Gun Mount Kai}} | ||
+ | |} | ||
==Medium Caliber Main Guns== | ==Medium Caliber Main Guns== |
Revision as of 08:19, 11 July 2022
This article is Overweight Penalty/Fit Gun Bonus The article is already being adopted and currently under renovation. |
Missing Information: Fit Gun table for BB, updated information and sources, quantified effects |
Page Adopted By: Tsubakura Please contact this person before making any major (non-grammar, typo correction, redesigning etc.) edits on this article. |
See also:
Fit Bonus and Overweight Penalty
With the "fit gun mechanics", also called "hidden fit bonuses", ships receive fit bonus/penalties depending if the equipped gun fits for the class or if the gun is too heavy for the ship to use.
- Not to be confused with visible Equipment Bonuses.
As fit bonuses are unaffected by morale or combined fleets, it becomes important to utilize the fit bonuses as much as possible.
Such fit mechanics do not apply to the abyssal fleet.[1]
Large Caliber Main Guns
Battleships receives accuracy bonuses if the guns are fit and accuracy penalties if its overweight[2]. How much bonus/penalty a ship receives, depends on the battleship class, the caliber and type of the gun and whether the battle takes place during day or night.
Ship Class | (P)35.6cm(DC), 38cm(K), 30.5cm(K), 38.1cm (/N) |
38cmQ, 38cmQK |
381mm, 381mmK |
41cm | 16inch (United States Navy) | 16inch (Royal Navy) | 46cm | P51cm, 51cm | ||||||||||||||||||
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41cm, Proto, Kai |
3K2 | 2K2 | Mk.7 | Mk.7 +GFCS |
Mk.6 mod.2 |
Mk.I | +AFCT | Kai +FCR |
Proto | 46cm | Kai | |||||||||||||||
Gangut | +7 30.5cm: +10 |
0 | +1 | -7 | -3 | -9~10? | ?? | ?? | -7 | -18 | ?? | N/A | ||||||||||||||
Kongou-class |
+7 | 0 | -2 | -5 | -5? | -5 | -6~7? | -5 | -6 | -3 | -7 | -10 | -10? | |||||||||||||
Bismarck Vittorio Veneto-class |
+4 | 0? | +1 | -5 | -5 | -4? | -5 | ?? | ?? | -7 | -10 | ?? | ||||||||||||||
Iowa | +4? | 0? | -2? | -5 | 0 | +2 | -7 | -10 | ?? | |||||||||||||||||
South Dakota | -5 M: +4.6 |
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Richelieu | +4 | +4~5 | -2 | -5 | -5 | -7 | -14? | -8 | -7 | -10 | ?? | |||||||||||||||
Warspite | +6 38.1cm: +8 |
+1~2 | +2 | -2? | +5 | ?? | +3~4 | -8 | -11 | ?? | ||||||||||||||||
Nelson | 0 | 0 | +3? | 0 | 0 | |||||||||||||||||||||
Ise-class Kai/Fusou-class Kai/Ni |
+4 | 0 | +2 | +2 | 0 | 0? | -3 | -7 F+: -11? |
-4? | |||||||||||||||||
Ise-class Kai Ni |
+4? | 0? | +4? | +4? | +6 | +2 | ?? | -7 F+: -11? |
?? | |||||||||||||||||
Ise/Fusou-classes Base |
+2 | 0? | +2 | +2 | +2 | +2? | +3 | -3 | -7 | ?? | ||||||||||||||||
Nagato-class |
0 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||
Nagato-class Kai Ni |
+2? | 0? | +2? | +5 | +5 | +5~6 | 0 | +4 | -2? | -4? | -6? | Nagato: -5 Mutsu: -8 | ||||||||||||||
Yamato-class |
0 | +3 | +3 | +7 | 0 | |||||||||||||||||||||
Note: Fit gun mechanics are still being investigated to this day, hence the values are not final and may be subject to changes. Values with a question mark either mean that it is not conclusive yet or the conclusion drawn here is not the same as the one drawn by Yumeji.
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Last Updated: Aug 24th 2020 | Made by: Tsubakura |
More generally, the accuracy offset can be defined with the formula:
[math]\displaystyle{ W = \sum^{\text{All Classes}} \left ( C_{k} M_{k} \sqrt{N_{k}} \right ) \% }[/math]
Where:
- [math]\displaystyle{ W }[/math] is the resulting fit bonus or overweight penalty
- [math]\displaystyle{ C_{k} }[/math] is the main coefficient of the equipped gun class. Refer to the above table for the coefficients applied to each Battleship for their respective guns.
- [math]\displaystyle{ M_{k} }[/math] is the marriage coefficient for the particular gun class. Assumes a value of 0.6 if the ship is married, and if the main coefficient is negative.
- [math]\displaystyle{ N_{k} }[/math] is the number of equipped guns for that gun class.
Native Guns
Since gun overweight penalty and fit bonuses are not yet all measured for some guns and ships, here is a list of the guns natively used/paned to be used in real life by each ship class.
- The "Twin/Triple" mount distinction is made for convenience, triple guns being heavier than their twin counterpart.
- Equipping ships with those guns may not always be optimal, but this should avoid overweight penalties.
Large Guns | ||||
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Nation | Class | Caliber | Twin | Triple |
Japanese | Kongou-class Fusou-class Ise-class |
35.6 cm | ||
Fusou-class Kai Ni Ise-class Kai Ni Nagato-class |
41 cm | |||
Yamato-class | 46 cm | |||
Yamato-class Kai Ni | 51 cm | |||
US | Colorado-class | 40,64 cm | ||
North Carolina-class South Dakota-class |
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Iowa-class | ||||
British | Queen Elizabeth-class | 38.1 cm | ||
Nelson-class | 40,64 cm | |||
Italian | Conte di Cavour-class | 30.5 cm | ||
32 cm | ||||
Vittorio Veneto-class | 38.1 cm | |||
German | Bismarck-class | 38 cm | ||
French | Richelieu-class | 38 cm | '"Double Twin Guns" in a Quadruple Mount. |
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Russian | Gangut-class | 30.5 cm |
Medium Caliber Main Guns
This section is outdated and needs updating. Devs have tweeted about adjusting invisible fits[citation needed], some data is outdated or missing sources. Potential misinformation. |
Cruisers can receive accuracy and/or firepower bonuses from using fit guns in their load-out.
Ship Class | 14cm Single 15.2cm Single () |
14cm Twin 14cm Twin Kai |
15.2cm 15.2cmK |
Bofors 15.2cm | 15.5cm 15.5cmK |
20.3cm 20.3cm(2) 20.3cm(3) |
203mm/53 | 8inch Mk.9 8inch Mk.9 m.2 | ||||||||
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Day | Night | |||||||||||||||
CL(T) | +4N +1 | ?? | +2? +2 | +3 ?? | -2 -2N | -3N?[1] | -2 -2.5N? | -10N? | ||||||||
Agano-class |
?? | +5 +2N? +2 | -2 -2N | |||||||||||||
Ooyodo | ?? | +2? +2 | +2 | |||||||||||||
CA(V) | 0 | +5 +5N? | 0 | |||||||||||||
Mogami-class |
+2 | |||||||||||||||
Mogami-class Kai Ni |
+5 | |||||||||||||||
Zara-class |
+1 +1 | |||||||||||||||
Seaplane Tenders (AV) | -6N | -6N | -8 -10N | -8 -10N? | ||||||||||||
Note: Fit gun mechanics are still being investigated to this day, hence the values are not final and may be subject to changes. Values with a question mark mean that it is potentially outdated and might no longer be correct.
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Last Updated: June 23rd 2019 | Made by: Tsubakura |
Small Caliber Main Guns
As of June 23, Yura and Mutsuki/Kamikaze-class destroyers gain fit bonuses from having single mount equipped.
Ship | 12.7cm Single HA Mount (Late Model) | 12.7cm Twin HA Mount (Late Model) |
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Light Cruisers (CL) | +4N | +2 +2N |
Yura Kai Ni | +4 +10N | |
Mutsuki-class |
+5 | |
Kamikaze-class |
?? | |
Unknown factors:
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Last Updated: December 5th 2018 | Made by: Tsubakura |
DD Fit Accuracy
Certain DDs have higher-than-expected hit rate when equipped with certain guns or sonars.
- The bonus accuracy likely takes the form: [math]\displaystyle{ \text{ACCURACY}_\text{bonus} = \text{C} \times \sqrt{\text{N}} }[/math]
- N being the amount of equipment.
Known "C" values | ||
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Ship/Class | Gear | C |
Tashkent/Verniy |
130mm B-13 Twin Gun Mount | 5 |
Fletcher-class |
5" Single Gun Mount Mk.30 variants |
4[1] |
John C. Butler-class | 5" Single Gun Mount Mk.30 variants |
4[2] |
J-class |
QF 4.7inch Gun Mk.XII Kai | 3 |
ASDICs |
3 [3] | |
Mutsuki-class |
12cm Single Gun Mount Kai 2 | 5 |
Source: [1]
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References
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