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*<math>N_{k}</math> is the number of equipped guns for that gun class.
 
*<math>N_{k}</math> is the number of equipped guns for that gun class.
  
==Heavy Cruisers==
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==Cruisers==
Heavy/Aviation cruisers only require one fit gun to get their fit bonus, there are no overweight mechanics regarding cruisers. Keep in mind that the fit bonus only applies during a '''night battle''' and equipping more than one of the same fit gun will not give you any duplicate bonuses. The fit bonuses also apply to torpedo attacks, as there are no distinction between shelling or torpedo based night attacks.<br />
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Cruisers can receive accuracy and/or firepower bonuses from using fit guns in their load-out. Unlike battleships however, cruisers do not suffer from any overweight penalty nor do overweight guns for cruisers exists.
The following guns will give you a fit bonus:
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* {{EquipmentLink|20.3cm Twin Gun Mount}}: +10%
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{| class="wikitable typography-xl-optout" style="text-align:center;"
* {{EquipmentLink|20.3cm (No.3) Twin Gun Mount}}: +15%
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!rowspan="2"|'''Ship Class'''
* {{EquipmentLink|20.3cm (No.2) Twin Gun Mount}}: +??%
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!colspan="2"|{{EquipmentLink|14cm Single Gun Mount|text=14cm Single|icon=x}}<br />
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{{EquipmentLink|15.2cm Single Gun Mount|text=15.2cm|icon=x}}
  
'''Note:''' It is currently unknown what would happen if you combine different fit guns.
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!colspan="2"|{{EquipmentLink|14cm Twin Gun Mount|text=14cm Twin|icon=x}}<br />
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{{EquipmentLink|15.2cm Twin Gun Mount|text=15.2cm|icon=x}}<br />
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{{EquipmentLink|15.2cm Twin Gun Mount Kai|text=15.2cmK|icon=x}}
  
The following guns are confirmed not to give any fit bonuses:
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!colspan="2"|{{EquipmentLink|15.5cm Triple Gun Mount|text=15.5cm|icon=x}}
* {{EquipmentLink|SKC34 20.3cm Twin Gun Mount}}
 
  
==Light Cruisers==
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!colspan="2"|{{EquipmentLink|15.5cm Triple Gun Mount Kai|text=15.5cmK|icon=x}}
Light Cruisers, Torpedo Cruisers and Training Cruisers all enjoy an accuracy and firepower bonus when equipped with fit guns. Like Heavy Cruisers, Light Cruisers do not have overweight mechanics.<ref>https://twitter.com/KanColle_STAFF/status/600208207454146561</ref>
 
===Firepower===
 
Light Cruisers, Training Cruisers, and Torpedo Cruisers enjoy firepower increase when using any of the following gun:<ref name=CLFG>[http://ja.kancolle.wikia.com/wiki/%E5%B7%A1%E6%B4%8B%E8%89%A6%E4%B8%BB%E7%A0%B2%E3%80%90%E3%83%95%E3%82%A3%E3%83%83%E3%83%88%E8%A3%9C%E6%AD%A3%E3%80%91 巡洋艦主砲【フィット補正】]</ref>
 
*[[14cm Single Gun Mount]]
 
*[[14cm Twin Gun Mount]]
 
*[[15.2cm Single Gun Mount]]
 
*[[15.2cm Twin Gun Mount]]
 
*[[15.2cm Twin Gun Mount Kai]]
 
  
It have been suggested that the increase in firepower might follow this relationship:<ref name=CLFG />
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!colspan="2"|{{EquipmentLink|20.3cm Twin Gun Mount|text=20.3cm|icon=x}}
* Increase in Firepower = √(No. of Fit Single Gun Mount) + 2 × √(No. of Fit Twin Gun Mount)
 
  
===Accuracy===
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!colspan="2"|{{EquipmentLink|20.3cm (No.2) Twin Gun Mount|text=20.3cm(2)|icon=x}}
So far, only limited amount of tests have been conducted to study light cruiser fit gun's effect on accuracy so all information in this section are in-comprehensive and they might be superseded by other, more up-to-date investigations when those information are available.
 
  
The accuracy fit bonus only applies if 2 or more fit guns are equipped at the same time. Equipping more than 2 fit guns does not increase the fit bonus.<ref>https://twitter.com/buntan_oic/status/759254902287851524</ref>
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!colspan="2"|{{EquipmentLink|20.3cm (No.3) Twin Gun Mount|text=20.3cm(3)|icon=x}}
Accuracy increase have been observed for the following guns when they are being equipped on CL<ref name=CLFG />
 
*[[14cm Single Gun Mount]]
 
*[[14cm Twin Gun Mount]]
 
*[[15.2cm Single Gun Mount]]
 
*[[15.2cm Twin Gun Mount]]
 
*[[15.2cm Twin Gun Mount Kai]]
 
  
Accuracy increase have been observed for the following guns when they are being equipped on CLT<ref name=CLFGA>[http://ja.kancolle.wikia.com/wiki/%E3%82%B9%E3%83%AC%E3%83%83%E3%83%89:939#2 軽巡フィット命中検証]</ref>
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!colspan="2"|{{EquipmentLink|203mm/53 Twin Gun Mount|text=203mm/53|icon=x}}
*[[14cm Twin Gun Mount]]
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Accuracy increase have been observed for the following guns when they are being equipped on CT<ref>http://ja.kancolle.wikia.com/wiki/%E3%82%B9%E3%83%AC%E3%83%83%E3%83%89:939#6</ref>
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!colspan="1"|Day
*[[14cm Twin Gun Mount]]
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!colspan="1"|Night
Other combinations have not been fully tested yet.
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!colspan="1"|Day
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!colspan="1"|Night
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!colspan="1"|Day
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!colspan="1"|Night
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!colspan="1"|Day
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!colspan="1"|Night
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!colspan="1"|Day
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!colspan="1"|Night
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!colspan="1"|Day
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!colspan="1"|Night
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!colspan="1"|Day
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!colspan="1"|Night
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!colspan="1"|Day
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!colspan="1"|Night
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|-
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|{{ShipLink|Ooyodo|text=Ooyodo Class|link_class=Ooyodo}}
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|style="background-color:#A5D6A7" colspan="2" rowspan="3"| +4??{{Hit}} +1??{{Firepower}}
  
The possibility of accuracy bonus vary across different ship classes have not been ruled out yet.<ref name=CLFGA />
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|style="background-color:#A5D6A7" colspan="2"| +5{{Hit}} +2??{{Firepower}}
  
==Third party Inspection on BB Fit Gun==
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|style="background-color:#81C784" colspan="2"| +7{{Hit}}
* [http://ch.nicovideo.jp/pixy_for_ever/blomaga/ar994724 【艦これ】戦艦主砲の装備補正検証 その4 -フィット・過重量砲の概念は扇? 16inchMk.7など同種主砲2本積み9~11種類戦艦型別命中率分析-] (Japanese)
 
* [http://ja.kancolle.wikia.com/wiki/スレッド:450 戦艦主砲の装備補正命中率検証] (Japanese)
 
* [https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gP20QDkWaN-fyDckR--RTqJZ8wclWnBBxtcU4N4oetw/edit#gid=0 金剛型 Yumeji396 data] (Japanese)
 
* [https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DxfqxeHQ_rFQnYU62oW_VOHY02jJNnsQy-3F30yvRj0/edit#gid=26267938 低速戦艦 Yumeji396 data] (Japanese)
 
* [https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VXQQKTpOlz5Ca-MSo53pGI6VgdU5far3MEb7RqP2l9k/edit#gid=133400888 伊勢改LV99命中検証] (Japanese)
 
* [https://goo.gl/gV7ypm Iowa改フィット@2本積み] (Japanese)
 
* [https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HHpzOklOtf0l4UaKRQ5_5kKXoFfTK6qGFAXBvzJmemI/edit#gid=0 Warspite改フィット] (Japanese)
 
* [https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Szmwx4W-tZDQJPZMNlTidNxP1Y9mx5EI89hfSiQZnTo/edit?pref=2&pli=1#gid=1825485109 ケッコン艦のフィット補正検証まとめ] (Japanese)
 
* [https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1uV4MVs0uz5CicCdO6vunu5JFI8oZO7V38TCMO2BHSMY/edit#gid=532164406 命中検証 -検証共同-] (Japanese)
 
* [https://twitter.com/Ex_witch/status/826415071500709888 GFCSを加えてまとめグラフ] (Japanese)
 
* [https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1kkbraxubwI1S6y-aBcPg5RwfDJmj0APo1Jr5Yj_6cxM/edit#gid=0 16inch Mk7+GFCS Tests] (Japanese)
 
  
==Third part Inspection on CA(V) Fit Gun==
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|colspan="2"|??
* [https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jYPuISDuAHsDOQbCGENTNx1TS5oeeoN_6Ltaf3or3SA/edit#gid=0 CA SKC,20.3cm(2) and 20.3cm(3) comparison. (Japanese)]
 
  
==Third party Inspection on CL Fit Gun==
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|colspan="2"|0
* http://kancollexxxxx.blog.shinobi.jp/Entry/4/ (Japanese)
 
* https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Vj_DAMxkZk2ZFZy8mYn6_YM_g1TDW4G7Ax4bBZa_yM8/edit#gid=0 (Japanese)
 
* https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17FrSqk0-yo2KnGux0YDLzeznUeYS8Wu5ojQ8bjsTbL8/edit#gid=449414457 (Japanese)
 
  
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|colspan="2"|0
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|colspan="2"|0
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|colspan="2"|0
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|-
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|{{ShipLink|Agano|Noshiro|Yahagi|Sakawa|text=Agano Class|link_class=Agano}}
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|style="background-color:#81C784" colspan="2"| +8{{Hit}} +2??{{Firepower}}
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|colspan="2"|??
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|colspan="2"|??
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|colspan="2"|0
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|colspan="2"|0
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|colspan="2"|0
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|colspan="2"|0
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|-
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|'''All other CL(T)'''
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|style="background-color:#A5D6A7" colspan="2"| +3??{{Hit}} +2??{{Firepower}}
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|colspan="2"|??
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|colspan="2"|??
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|colspan="2"|0
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|colspan="2"|0
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|colspan="2"|0
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|colspan="2"|0
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|-
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|{{ShipLink|Mogami|Mikuma|Suzuya|Kumano|text=Mogami Class|link_class=Mogami}}
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|colspan="2"|0
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|colspan="2"|0
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|style="background-color:#A5D6A7" colspan="2"| +2{{Hit}}
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|style="background-color:#A5D6A7" colspan="2"| +5{{Hit}}
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|rowspan="3"|0
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|style="background-color:#81C784" rowspan="3"|<span>{{Nowrap|'''+10'''*}}{{Hit}}<ref name="20.3cm" /></span>
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|rowspan="3"|0
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|style="background-color:#81C784" rowspan="3"|<span>{{Nowrap|'''+10'''*}}{{Hit}}<ref name="20.3cm" /></span>
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|rowspan="3"|0
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|style="background-color:#81C784" rowspan="3"|<span>{{Nowrap|'''+15'''*}}{{Hit}}<ref name="20.3cm" /></span>
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|colspan="2"|0
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|-
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|{{ShipLink|Zara|Pola|text=Zara Class|link_class=Zara}}
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|colspan="2"|0
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|colspan="2"|0
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|colspan="2"|??
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|colspan="2"|??
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|style="background-color:#C8E6C9" colspan="2"| +1{{Hit}} +1{{Firepower}}
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|-
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|'''All other CA(V)'''
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|colspan="2"|0
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|colspan="2"|0
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|colspan="2"|??
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|colspan="2"|??
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|colspan="2"|0
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|-
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|style="text-align:left" colspan='17'|
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'''Note: Fit gun mechanics are still being investigated to this day, hence the values are not final and may be subject to changes. Values with a question mark means that it is potentially outdated and might no longer be correct.'''
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* The table is populated with data '''after''' the June 2017 cruiser fit gun overhaul. Values concluded from old data are marked with a question mark.
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* The table shows an estimated accuracy and/or firepower fit bonus based on having '''one fit gun''' equipped.
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* Bonuses from guns of different classes are simply added together.
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* If more than one gun of the same class is used, multiply the modifier by the square root of number of guns (Ooyodo with two 15.5cm guns equipped for example, that's √2 x 7 = 9.89). Note that this also applies to firepower bonuses!
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<div>
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<references>
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<ref name="20.3cm">Bolded out values are exceptions as they give an one-time flat bonus instead and this bonus will not increase with the amount of guns you have equipped. The 20.3cm bonus will override the 20.3cm(3) bonus if both guns are present on a ship. It is unknown if the 20.3cm(2) also overrides the 20.3cm(3) bonus.
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</ref>
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</references>
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</div>
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|style = colspan='13'|<span style="text-align: left;">Last Updated: November 4th 2017</span>
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|style = colspan='7'|<span style="text-align: right;">Made by: [[User:Tsubakura|Tsubakura]]</span>
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|}
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{{Clear}}
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==Destroyers==
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As of [https://twitter.com/KanColle_STAFF/status/878185448341782529 June 23th], the Mutsuki and Kamikaze class destroyers gain fit bonuses from having small caliber {{GreenGunDP}} equipped.
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The exact values are unknown.
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{{Clear}}
 
==References==
 
==References==
 
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Revision as of 06:29, 4 November 2017

This article is Overweight Penalty/Fit Gun Bonus
The article is already being adopted and currently under renovation.
Missing Information: Fit Gun table for BB, updated information and sources, quantified effects
Page Adopted By: Tsubakura
Please contact this person before making any major (non-grammar, typo correction, redesigning etc.) edits on this article.


See also: Fit gun bonus - Reddit intermediate players' guide

Fit Bonus and Overweight Penalty

With the introduction of fit gun mechanics on July 28th 2014, ships now will receive fit bonus/penalties depending if the equipped gun fits for the class or if the gun is too heavy for the ship to use.

As fit bonuses are unaffected by morale or combined fleets, it becomes important that you utilize the fit bonuses as much as possible.

Fit mechanics do not apply to the abyssal fleet.[1]

Battleships

Battleships receives accuracy bonuses if the guns are fit and accuracy penalties if its overweight.[2] How much bonus/penalty a ship receives, depends on the battleship class, the caliber and type of the gun and whether the battle takes place during day or night.

Note: The gun classification is only there as a reference for editors and does not reflect the terminologies used in-game.

Gun Class Class A Class F Class B Class C Class Y Class D Class E Class Z
Ship Class 30.5cm30.5cm Triple Gun Mount

30.5cmK30.5cm Triple Gun Mount Kai

35.6cm35.6cm Twin Gun Mount

P35.6cmPrototype 35.6cm Triple Gun Mount
Dazzle35.6cm Twin Gun Mount (Dazzle Camouflage)
38cmK38cm Twin Gun Mount Kai
38.1cm38.1cm Mk.I Twin Gun Mount
38.1cm/N38.1cm Mk.I/N Twin Gun Mount Kai

38cm四38cm Quadruple Gun Mount

38cmK四?38cm Quadruple Gun Mount Kai

381mm381mm/50 Triple Gun Mount

381mmK381mm/50 Triple Gun Mount Kai

41cm41cm Twin Gun Mount

P41cmPrototype 41cm Triple Gun Mount
41cmK41cm Triple Gun Mount Kai

16inch16inch Triple Gun Mount Mk.7

GFCS16inch Triple Gun Mount Mk.7 + GFCS

P46cmPrototype 46cm Twin Gun Mount 46cm46cm Triple Gun Mount P51cmPrototype 51cm Twin Gun Mount
Day Night Day Night Day Night Day Night Day Night Day Night Day Night Day Night Day Night
Kongou ClassKongou
Hiei
Kirishima
Haruna
+7 -2 -2 0 -5 -5 -7 -10 N/A
Bismarck ClassBismarck +4 ?? +3 0 -5 -2? -2? -10 N/A
Гангут ClassГангут +10 +7 ?? +1 0 -7 -7 -10 -16 N/A
Richelieu ClassRichelieu +4 +4 -2 0 -7 -7 -7 -10 N/A
Vittorio Veneto ClassLittorio
Roma
+4 ?? +1 0 -7 -5 -7 -10 N/A
Iowa ClassIowa +4 ?? -2 0 -5 +4 -7 -10 N/A
Queen Elizabeth ClassWarspite +4 ?? +2 0 +2 0 -3 -10 N/A
Ise Class (Base)Ise
Hyuuga
+2 ?? +2 0 +2 +2 -3 -7 N/A
Fusou Class (Base)Fusou
Yamashiro
+2 ?? +2 0 +2 +2 -3 -7 N/A
Ise Class (Kai)Ise
Hyuuga
+4 ?? +2 0 +2 0 -3 -5 -7 -8 N/A
Fusou Class (Kai/Kai Ni)Fusou Kai
Fusou Kai Ni
Yamashiro Kai
Yamashiro Kai Ni
+4 ?? +2 0 +2 0 -3 -5 -7 -8 N/A
Nagato Class (Base/Kai)Nagato
Mutsu
+2 ?? +2 0 +2 +2 -3 -7 0
Nagato Class (Kai Ni)Nagato Kai Ni ?? ?? ?? 0 +5 0 -3 -5 0
Yamato ClassYamato
Musashi
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

Note: Fit gun mechanics are still being investigated to this day, hence the values are not final and may be subject to changes. Values with a question mark either means that its not conclusive yet or the conclusion drawn here is not the same as the one drawn by yumeji.

  • The table shows an estimated accuracy fit bonus based on having one fit gun equipped.
  • For married ships, the overweight penalty is reduced by 40% (A married Kongou with a 46cm receives a penalty of -6 instead of -10, for example).
  • If more than one gun of the same class is used, multiply the modifier by the square root of number of guns. (A Kongou-class with two A class guns equipped for example, that's √2 x 7 = 9.89)
  • If guns from different classes are used together, add the modifiers together. (A Kongou with a 35.6cm and 41cm mixed for example, that's 7 - 5 = 2.
  • Exceptions arises where different guns of the same class gives different bonuses on certain ships, notably Gangut. What would happen if you combine 30.5cm and 35.6cm is still under investigations.
Last Updated: October 13th 2017 Made by: Tsubakura

More generally, the accuracy offset can be defined with the formula:

[math]\displaystyle{ W = \sum^{\text{All Classes}} \left ( C_{k} M_{k} \sqrt{N_{k}} \right ) \% }[/math]

Where:

  • [math]\displaystyle{ W }[/math] is the resulting fit bonus or overweight penalty
  • [math]\displaystyle{ C_{k} }[/math] is the main coefficient of the equipped gun class. Refer to the above table for the coefficients applied to each Battleship for their respective guns.
  • [math]\displaystyle{ M_{k} }[/math] is the marriage coefficient for the particular gun class. Assumes a value of 0.6 if the ship is married, and if the main coefficient is negative.
  • [math]\displaystyle{ N_{k} }[/math] is the number of equipped guns for that gun class.

Cruisers

Cruisers can receive accuracy and/or firepower bonuses from using fit guns in their load-out. Unlike battleships however, cruisers do not suffer from any overweight penalty nor do overweight guns for cruisers exists.

Ship Class 14cm Single14cm Single Gun Mount

15.2cm15.2cm Single Gun Mount

14cm Twin14cm Twin Gun Mount

15.2cm15.2cm Twin Gun Mount
15.2cmK15.2cm Twin Gun Mount Kai

15.5cm15.5cm Triple Gun Mount 15.5cmK15.5cm Triple Gun Mount Kai 20.3cm20.3cm Twin Gun Mount 20.3cm(2)20.3cm (No.2) Twin Gun Mount 20.3cm(3)20.3cm (No.3) Twin Gun Mount 203mm/53203mm/53 Twin Gun Mount
Day Night Day Night Day Night Day Night Day Night Day Night Day Night Day Night
Ooyodo ClassOoyodo +4??Accuracy +1??Firepower +5Accuracy +2??Firepower +7Accuracy ?? 0 0 0 0
Agano ClassAgano
Noshiro
Yahagi
Sakawa
+8Accuracy +2??Firepower ?? ?? 0 0 0 0
All other CL(T) +3??Accuracy +2??Firepower ?? ?? 0 0 0 0
Mogami ClassMogami
Mikuma
Suzuya
Kumano
0 0 +2Accuracy +5Accuracy 0 +10*Accuracy[3] 0 +10*Accuracy[3] 0 +15*Accuracy[3] 0
Zara ClassZara
Pola
0 0 ?? ?? +1Accuracy +1Firepower
All other CA(V) 0 0 ?? ?? 0

Note: Fit gun mechanics are still being investigated to this day, hence the values are not final and may be subject to changes. Values with a question mark means that it is potentially outdated and might no longer be correct.

  • The table is populated with data after the June 2017 cruiser fit gun overhaul. Values concluded from old data are marked with a question mark.
  • The table shows an estimated accuracy and/or firepower fit bonus based on having one fit gun equipped.
  • Bonuses from guns of different classes are simply added together.
  • If more than one gun of the same class is used, multiply the modifier by the square root of number of guns (Ooyodo with two 15.5cm guns equipped for example, that's √2 x 7 = 9.89). Note that this also applies to firepower bonuses!


  1. https://twitter.com/KanColle_STAFF/status/380246238991364096
  2. https://twitter.com/KanColle_STAFF/status/493648336142876674
  3. 3.0 3.1 3.2 Bolded out values are exceptions as they give an one-time flat bonus instead and this bonus will not increase with the amount of guns you have equipped. The 20.3cm bonus will override the 20.3cm(3) bonus if both guns are present on a ship. It is unknown if the 20.3cm(2) also overrides the 20.3cm(3) bonus.
Last Updated: November 4th 2017 Made by: Tsubakura

Destroyers

As of June 23th, the Mutsuki and Kamikaze class destroyers gain fit bonuses from having small caliber High-Angle Gun equipped.

The exact values are unknown.

References