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!Anti-{{Enemy/Link|PT Imp Pack|link=PT Imp Pack|text=PT-Imp}} Setups
 
!Anti-{{Enemy/Link|PT Imp Pack|link=PT Imp Pack|text=PT-Imp}} Setups
 
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|Unlike most standard Abyssals, {{Enemy/Link|PT Imp Pack|text=PT-Imp Packs}} are very small and fast.  
 
|Unlike most standard Abyssals, {{Enemy/Link|PT Imp Pack|text=PT-Imp Packs}} are very small and fast.  
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* All ship types suffer a severe accuracy and firepower penalty against PT-Imp.
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* All ship types suffer a severe {{Hit}} accuracy and {{Firepower}} firepower penalty against PT-Imp.
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*Attacking them with larger guns is not very effective, smaller guns being recommended instead.
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* Attacking them with larger guns is not very effective, smaller guns being recommended instead.
  
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They have very high evasion and are next to impossible to hit with normal shelling or torpedo attacks.  
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*This includes special attacks.  
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!colspan=4|Estimated PT-Imps' evasion terms
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*In order to sink them, specific equipment setups are required.
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!rowspan=2|Type
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!colspan=3|{{Evasion}} Eva
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!Line Ahead
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!Line Abreast
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!Echelon
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|{{Enemy/Link|PT Imp Pack}}
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|81
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|?
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|87
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|{{Enemy/Link|PT Imp Pack II}}
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|81
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|86
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|88
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|{{Enemy/Link|PT Imp Pack III}}
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|83
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|88
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|90
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|{{Enemy/Link|PT Imp Pack IV}}
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|84
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|?
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|?
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|}
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'''The Accuracy formula against PT-IMPs:'''<ref>https://twitter.com/Xe_UCH</ref><ref>https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-T9OfSDOoLKQXtBDeP80izgWl3f5G_eqMQYLW-WbSnw/edit#gid=1542319939</ref><ref>https://twitter.com/Divinity_123/status/1492264067809038343</ref><ref>https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BpctZEkEF94iOR1I704d3Rn9kKg1gAj9tK4cXdq1CNs/edit#gid=0</ref>
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*<math>\text{Accuracy}_\text{vs.PT} = \biggl\lfloor \left( \left(\text{Accuracy}_\text{Standard} \times 0.42 + 24 \right) \times \text{Mod}_\text{Ship} \times \text{Mod}_\text{Gear} \times \text{Mod}_\text{Vanguard} \right) \biggr\rfloor</math>
  
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It is recommended to use anti-PT setups on DDs only, such setups compromising overall combat effectiveness.
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'''With:'''
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*<math>\text{Accuracy}_\text{Standard}</math> is the standard accuracy described [[Accuracy,_Evasion_and_Criticals#Daytime_Shelling|here]]''
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**PT-Imps are "DDs" in the game, so the <math>\text{Mod}_\text{formation}</math> for vanguard is 0.88/1.32 for the top and bottom halves respectively.
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**Historical accuracy bonuses during Events is included in the Standard Accuracy Term, i.e. it is affected by the 0.42x modifier.
  
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*'''{{Ship/Link|Amagiri/Kai Ni|Amagiri/Kai Ni D|text=Amagiri Kai Ni/D}}''' has the ability to prioritize focusing on attacking PT-Imp with increased accuracy if any are present.
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*<math>\text{Mod}_\text{Ship}</math> is the bonus given by ship types, described bellow,
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**Ships placed in the composition slots above and below her will gain a small accuracy boost and will prioritize attacking PT-Imp if any are present.
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*<math>\text{Mod}_\text{Gear}</math> is the bonus given by equipment, described bellow,
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**When seveal equipment are used on a ship, it is then the product of those bonuses.
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*<math>\text{Mod}_\text{Vanguard}</math> is '''1.2''' when using the '''{{ToolTip|[[Combat#Formation_Selection|Vanguard Formation]]|[[File:Vanguard.png]]}}'''.<ref>The formula is inconsistent for attackers with 2 small guns in vanguard formation. For the most part, underestimations (up to 10% difference in hit rate) are observed. It is not clear what may lead to this at the moment.</ref>
  
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Some equipment like the "{{Equipment/Link|Armed Daihatsu|Soukoutei (Armored Boat Class)|text=Armed Boats|link_category=Landing Craft}}" {{LandingCraft}} are known to have damage bonus against PT-Imp too.
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!Ship Type
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!<math>\text{Mod}_\text{Ship}</math>
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|[[DD]] & [[DE]]
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|1.0
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|[[CL]], [[CLT]], & [[CT]]
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|0.82
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|All other types
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|0.7
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'''{{Ship/Link|Amagiri/Kai Ni|Amagiri/Kai Ni D|text=Amagiri Kai Ni/D}}''' has the ability to prioritize focusing on attacking PT-Imp with increased accuracy if any are present.
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*Ships placed in the composition slots above and below her will gain a small accuracy boost and will prioritize attacking PT-Imp if any are present.
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{|class="wikitable" style="text-align:center; margin:auto"
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!colspan=2 rowspan=2|Equipment
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!colspan=2|<math>\text{Mod}_\text{Gear}</math>
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!1st equipped
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!2nd equipped
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|{{RedGunLight}}{{GreenGunDP}}
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|[[:Category:Small Gun|Small Guns]] & [[:Category:Main High-Angle Gun|Main High-Angle Guns]]<ref>{{EquipmentLink|5inch Twin Dual-purpose Gun Mount (Concentrated Deployment)|GFCS Mk.37 + 5inch Twin Dual-purpose Gun Mount (Concentrated Deployment)|text=Medium Main High-Angle Gun|link_category=Main High-Angle Gun}} not confirmed.</ref>
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|1.3
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|1.15
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|{{YellowGun}}{{GreenGunDP}}
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|[[:Category:Secondary Gun|Secondary Guns]] & [[:Category:Secondary High-Angle Gun|Secondary High-Angle Guns]]
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|colspan=2|1.55
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|{{GreenGunMG}}
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|[[:Category:Anti-Air Gun|AA Machine Guns]]
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|1.45
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|1.35
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|{{SurfaceShipPersonnel}}
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|{{EquipmentLink|Skilled Lookouts|Torpedo Squadron Skilled Lookouts|text=Skilled Lookouts}}
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|1.75
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| ?
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|{{:User:Chocolatecravinghobo/Sandbox/10/Icon|{{LandingCraft}}|Armed}}
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|{{Equipment/Link|Armed Daihatsu|Soukoutei (Armored Boat Class)|text=Armed Boats|link_category=Landing Craft}}
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|1.45
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| ?
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|{{Seaplane}}
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|[[:Category:Seaplanes|Seaplanes]] ([[SPB|Bombers]] & [[SPR|Recons]])
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|colspan=2|1.5
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|{{ZuiunPlane}}
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|[[:Category:Zuiun|Zuiun]] variants
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|colspan=2|1.5?
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|-
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|{{:User:Chocolatecravinghobo/Sandbox/10/Icon|{{Radar}}|Surface}}
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|[[:Category:Surface Radar|Surface Radars]]
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|?
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|?
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|colspan=2|All other equipment
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|colspan=2|1
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|}
  
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The values presented below are theorized to be '''fixed hit rates'''.
 
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* This means they are unaffected by any outside factors.
 
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* The actual relation with [[Accuracy,_Evasion_and_Criticals#Accuracy_Formulas|accuracy calculations]] and the PT-Imp evasion stat are unknown.
 
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* These rates are based on tests conducted during the Summer 2017 Event<ref>https://wikiwiki.jp/kancolle/命中と回避について#oc69c684</ref><ref>https://bs-arekore.at.webry.info/201709/article_3.html</ref>.
 
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* The average observed hit rate without anti-TP setups was about 40% for regular fleets and about 10% for TCF.
 
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** The values on the table are the differences in hit rates compared to this.
 
  
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!colspan=5|Equipment Setups
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!style="width:140px" rowspan=2|Equipment layout
 
!colspan=3|Bonus
 
!colspan=3|Bonus
 
!style="width:350px" rowspan=2|Notes
 
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| {{RedGunLight}} {{SurfaceShipPersonnel}}
 
| {{RedGunLight}} {{SurfaceShipPersonnel}}
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| 50%|| 25%|| N/A|| Adding more main guns does not increase the hit rate. Adding more lookouts '''halves''' the rate.
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| 25%
 
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| N/A
 
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| Adding more main guns does not increase the hit rate. Adding more lookouts '''halves''' the rate.
 
 
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|{{SurfaceShipPersonnel}} {{GreenGunMG}}
 
|{{SurfaceShipPersonnel}} {{GreenGunMG}}
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| 50%
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| 50%|| 25%|| N/A||
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| 25%
 
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| N/A
 
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|{{SurfaceShipPersonnel}} {{GreenGunMG}} {{GreenGunMG}}
 
|{{SurfaceShipPersonnel}} {{GreenGunMG}} {{GreenGunMG}}
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| 100%?
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| 100%?|| 50%|| 30%||  
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| 50%
 
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| 30%
 
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|  
 
 
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| {{RedGunLight}} {{SurfaceShipPersonnel}} {{GreenGunMG}}
 
| {{RedGunLight}} {{SurfaceShipPersonnel}} {{GreenGunMG}}
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| 100%?
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| 100%?|| ??|| ??|| '''Best anti-Imp setup.'''
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| ??
 
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| ??
 
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| '''Best anti-Imp setup.'''
 
 
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| {{YellowGun}} {{SurfaceShipPersonnel}}
 
| {{YellowGun}} {{SurfaceShipPersonnel}}
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| N/A
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| N/A|| 35%|| 15%||  
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| 35%
 
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| 15%
 
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| {{:User:Chocolatecravinghobo/Sandbox/10/Icon|{{Radar}}|Surface}} {{SurfaceShipPersonnel}}
 
| {{:User:Chocolatecravinghobo/Sandbox/10/Icon|{{Radar}}|Surface}} {{SurfaceShipPersonnel}}
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| 10%
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| 10%|| ??|| ??|| Only applies to '''[[:Category:Surface Radar|Surface Radars]]'''.
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| ??
 
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| ??
 
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| Only applies to '''[[:Category:Surface Radar|Surface Radars]]'''.
 
 
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| {{YellowGun}} {{GreenGunMG}} {{ZuiunPlane}}
 
| {{YellowGun}} {{GreenGunMG}} {{ZuiunPlane}}
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| N/A|| ??|| 45%|| Only applies to {{ZuiunPlane}} '''[[:Category:Zuiun|Zuiun]]''' variants.
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| ??
 
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| 45%
 
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| Only applies to {{ZuiunPlane}} '''[[:Category:Zuiun|Zuiun]]''' variant.
 
 
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| {{YellowGun}} {{Seaplane}} {{SurfaceShipPersonnel}}
 
| {{YellowGun}} {{Seaplane}} {{SurfaceShipPersonnel}}
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| N/A
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| N/A|| ??|| 75%|| Only applies to '''[[:Category:Seaplanes|Seaplanes]]''' ([[SPB|Bombers]] & [[SPR|Recons]]).
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| ??
 
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| 75%
 
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| Only applies to '''[[:Category:Seaplanes|Seaplanes]]''' ([[SPB|Bombers]] & [[SPR|Recons]]).
 
 
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| {{RedGunLight}} {{GreenGunMG}}
 
| {{RedGunLight}} {{GreenGunMG}}
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| 10%
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| 10%|| N/A|| N/A|| Destroyer only.
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| N/A
 
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| N/A
 
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| Destroyer only.
 
 
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| {{RedGunLight}} {{RedGunLight}} {{GreenGunMG}}
 
| {{RedGunLight}} {{RedGunLight}} {{GreenGunMG}}
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| 30%
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| 30%|| N/A|| N/A|| Destroyer only.
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| N/A
 
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| N/A
 
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| Destroyer only.
 
 
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| {{RedGunLight}} {{GreenGunMG}} {{GreenGunMG}}
 
| {{RedGunLight}} {{GreenGunMG}} {{GreenGunMG}}
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| 50%
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| 50%|| N/A|| N/A|| Destroyer only.
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| N/A
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|colspan=5 style="text-align:left"|The values presented above are theorized to be '''fixed hit rates'''.
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| Destroyer only.
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* This means they are unaffected by any outside factors.
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* These rates are based on tests conducted during the Summer 2017 Event<ref>https://wikiwiki.jp/kancolle/命中と回避について#oc69c684</ref><ref>https://bs-arekore.at.webry.info/201709/article_3.html</ref>.
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* The average observed hit rate without anti-TP setups was about 40% for regular fleets and about 10% for TCF. The values on the table are the differences in hit rates compared to this.  
 
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'''Notes:'''
 
'''Notes:'''
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* At least two different types of equipment must be combined to see significant boosts to accuracy.
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* It is recommended to use anti-PT setups on DDs only, such setups compromising overall combat effectiveness.
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* Having a '''[[Reinforcement Expansion]]''' is important because it can save a ship slot by containing a machine gun or skilled lookouts.
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* Combining equipment is recommended to see significant boosts to accuracy.
 
* Using other setups improving accuracy is also advisable:
 
* Using other setups improving accuracy is also advisable:
 
** [[Combat/Overweight Penalty and Fit Gun Bonus#DD Fit Accuracy|Hiden accuracy bonus]] setups
 
** [[Combat/Overweight Penalty and Fit Gun Bonus#DD Fit Accuracy|Hiden accuracy bonus]] setups
 
** High accuracy formations like {{ToolTip|[[Combat#Formation_Selection|Double Line]]|[[File:DoubleLine.png]]}} or {{ToolTip|[[Combined_Fleet#Formation_Selection|Cruising Formation 4]]|[[File:Formation_4.png]]}}.
 
** High accuracy formations like {{ToolTip|[[Combat#Formation_Selection|Double Line]]|[[File:DoubleLine.png]]}} or {{ToolTip|[[Combined_Fleet#Formation_Selection|Cruising Formation 4]]|[[File:Formation_4.png]]}}.
 
** [[Sparkle]]d ships.
 
** [[Sparkle]]d ships.
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* Having a [[Reinforcement Expansion]] is important because it can save a ship slot by containing a machine gun or skilled lookouts.
 
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* {{RedGunLight}} [[:Category:Small Gun|Small Guns]] includes {{GreenGunDP}} [[:Category:Main High-Angle Gun|Main High-Angle Guns]] (small & medium?).
 
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* {{YellowGun}} [[:Category:Secondary Gun|Secondary Guns]] includes {{GreenGunDP}} [[:Category:Secondary High-Angle Gun|Secondary High-Angle Guns]].
 
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* {{GreenGunMG}} is for any [[:Category:Anti-Air Gun|AA Machine Guns]].
 
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* {{SurfaceShipPersonnel}} is for any {{EquipmentLink|Skilled Lookouts|Torpedo Squadron Skilled Lookouts|text=Skilled Lookouts}}.
 
 
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|References:<ref>https://twitter.com/Divinity_123/status/1492264067809038343</ref><ref>https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BpctZEkEF94iOR1I704d3Rn9kKg1gAj9tK4cXdq1CNs/edit#gid=0</ref><ref>https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-T9OfSDOoLKQXtBDeP80izgWl3f5G_eqMQYLW-WbSnw/edit#gid=1542319939</ref>
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|References:
 
<references/>
 
<references/>
 
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!Last Updated: {{colour|red|14th September 2017}}
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!Last Updated: 30/06/2022
 
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!{{edit|Template:Anti-PT_Imp_Setups}}
 
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Revision as of 10:01, 30 June 2022


Anti-PT-ImpPT Imp Pack Setups
Unlike most standard Abyssals, PT-Imp PacksPT Imp Pack are very small and fast.
  • All ship types suffer a severe Accuracy accuracy and Firepower firepower penalty against PT-Imp.
  • Attacking them with larger guns is not very effective, smaller guns being recommended instead.
Estimated PT-Imps' evasion terms
Type Evasion Eva
Line Ahead Line Abreast Echelon
PT Imp PackPT Imp Pack 81 ? 87
PT Imp Pack IIPT Imp Pack II 81 86 88
PT Imp Pack IIIPT Imp Pack III 83 88 90
PT Imp Pack IVPT Imp Pack IV 84 ? ?

The Accuracy formula against PT-IMPs:[1][2][3][4]

  • [math]\displaystyle{ \text{Accuracy}_\text{vs.PT} = \biggl\lfloor \left( \left(\text{Accuracy}_\text{Standard} \times 0.42 + 24 \right) \times \text{Mod}_\text{Ship} \times \text{Mod}_\text{Gear} \times \text{Mod}_\text{Vanguard} \right) \biggr\rfloor }[/math]

With:

  • [math]\displaystyle{ \text{Accuracy}_\text{Standard} }[/math] is the standard accuracy described here
    • PT-Imps are "DDs" in the game, so the [math]\displaystyle{ \text{Mod}_\text{formation} }[/math] for vanguard is 0.88/1.32 for the top and bottom halves respectively.
    • Historical accuracy bonuses during Events is included in the Standard Accuracy Term, i.e. it is affected by the 0.42x modifier.
  • [math]\displaystyle{ \text{Mod}_\text{Ship} }[/math] is the bonus given by ship types, described bellow,
  • [math]\displaystyle{ \text{Mod}_\text{Gear} }[/math] is the bonus given by equipment, described bellow,
    • When seveal equipment are used on a ship, it is then the product of those bonuses.
  • [math]\displaystyle{ \text{Mod}_\text{Vanguard} }[/math] is 1.2 when using the Vanguard FormationVanguard.png.[5]
Ship Type [math]\displaystyle{ \text{Mod}_\text{Ship} }[/math]
DD & DE 1.0
CL, CLT, & CT 0.82
All other types 0.7

Amagiri Kai Ni/DAmagiri Kai Ni
Amagiri Kai Ni D has the ability to prioritize focusing on attacking PT-Imp with increased accuracy if any are present.

  • Ships placed in the composition slots above and below her will gain a small accuracy boost and will prioritize attacking PT-Imp if any are present.
Equipment [math]\displaystyle{ \text{Mod}_\text{Gear} }[/math]
1st equipped 2nd equipped
Small Caliber Main GunHigh-Angle Gun Small Guns & Main High-Angle Guns[6] 1.3 1.15
Secondary GunHigh-Angle Gun Secondary Guns & Secondary High-Angle Guns 1.55
Anti-Aircraft Gun AA Machine Guns 1.45 1.35
Lookout Skilled LookoutsSkilled Lookouts
Torpedo Squadron Skilled Lookouts 		1.75 ?
Landing CraftArmed Armed BoatsArmed Daihatsu
Soukoutei (Armored Boat Class) 		1.45 ?
Seaplane Seaplanes (Bombers & Recons) 1.5
Zuiun Model Seaplane Bomber Zuiun variants 1.5?
RADARSurface Surface Radars ? ?
All other equipment 1


Equipment Setups
Equipment layout Bonus Notes
DD CL CA/BB
Small Caliber Main Gun Lookout 50% 25% N/A Adding more main guns does not increase the hit rate. Adding more lookouts halves the rate.
Lookout Anti-Aircraft Gun 50% 25% N/A
Lookout Anti-Aircraft Gun Anti-Aircraft Gun 100%? 50% 30%
Small Caliber Main Gun Lookout Anti-Aircraft Gun 100%? ?? ?? Best anti-Imp setup.
Secondary Gun Lookout N/A 35% 15%
RADARSurface Lookout 10% ?? ?? Only applies to Surface Radars.
Secondary Gun Anti-Aircraft Gun Zuiun Model Seaplane Bomber N/A ?? 45% Only applies to Zuiun Model Seaplane Bomber Zuiun variants.
Secondary Gun Seaplane Lookout N/A ?? 75% Only applies to Seaplanes (Bombers & Recons).
Small Caliber Main Gun Anti-Aircraft Gun 10% N/A N/A Destroyer only.
Small Caliber Main Gun Small Caliber Main Gun Anti-Aircraft Gun 30% N/A N/A Destroyer only.
Small Caliber Main Gun Anti-Aircraft Gun Anti-Aircraft Gun 50% N/A N/A Destroyer only.
The values presented above are theorized to be fixed hit rates.
  • This means they are unaffected by any outside factors.
  • These rates are based on tests conducted during the Summer 2017 Event[7][8].
  • The average observed hit rate without anti-TP setups was about 40% for regular fleets and about 10% for TCF. The values on the table are the differences in hit rates compared to this.

Notes:

  • It is recommended to use anti-PT setups on DDs only, such setups compromising overall combat effectiveness.
  • Having a Reinforcement Expansion is important because it can save a ship slot by containing a machine gun or skilled lookouts.
  • Combining equipment is recommended to see significant boosts to accuracy.
  • Using other setups improving accuracy is also advisable:
References:
  1. ↑ https://twitter.com/Xe_UCH
  2. ↑ https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-T9OfSDOoLKQXtBDeP80izgWl3f5G_eqMQYLW-WbSnw/edit#gid=1542319939
  3. ↑ https://twitter.com/Divinity_123/status/1492264067809038343
  4. ↑ https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BpctZEkEF94iOR1I704d3Rn9kKg1gAj9tK4cXdq1CNs/edit#gid=0
  5. ↑ The formula is inconsistent for attackers with 2 small guns in vanguard formation. For the most part, underestimations (up to 10% difference in hit rate) are observed. It is not clear what may lead to this at the moment.
  6. ↑ Medium Main High-Angle Gun5inch Twin Dual-purpose Gun Mount (Concentrated Deployment)
    GFCS Mk.37 + 5inch Twin Dual-purpose Gun Mount (Concentrated Deployment)     not confirmed.
  7. ↑ https://wikiwiki.jp/kancolle/命中と回避について#oc69c684
  8. ↑ https://bs-arekore.at.webry.info/201709/article_3.html
Last Updated: 30/06/2022
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