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You may wish to refer to here to calculate which ships benefit from avoiding a Red-T [http://kancolle-calc.net/suffering.html here]
 
You may wish to refer to here to calculate which ships benefit from avoiding a Red-T [http://kancolle-calc.net/suffering.html here]
 
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:I agree with you. The fact of using the Saiun or not wasn't a matter of debate though, and more a matter of the mechanics of Saiun in general. Your comment was a targeted comment at the previous stance, which in effect was a nullification, and wasn't really providing any benefit at that point. My comment of opinions was regarding your extremely strong wording on certain topics, specifically for when you state that something is "required." [[User:Ravien|<span style="color:#50c878"><font face="Blackadder ITC" size="6"> Ravien</font> </span>]] <font size="2">([[User talk:Ravien|talk]])</font> 07:12, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

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