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This article is in my userspace and is made mostly of ideas.
==Translation==
As part of organizing translations I was hoping to create an organized list of translators by level. Wikipedia has the following standards:<ref name="Wikipedia:Babel">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Babel</ref>
<pre>
* xx-1 for basic ability - enough to understand written material or simple questions in this language.
* xx-2 for intermediate ability - enough for editing or discussions.
* xx-3 for advanced level - though you can write in this language with no problem, some small errors might occur.
* xx-4 for 'near-native' level - although it's not your first language from birth, your ability is something like that of a native speaker.
* xx (no hyphen or number) for native-born speakers who use a language every day and have a thorough grasp of it, including colloquialisms and idioms.
</pre>
Expanded definitions: <ref name="Wikipedia:Babel/Levels">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Babel/Levels</ref>
;<code>xx-0</code>
:You might be expected to understand a language (e.g. if you often contribute to articles about it, or you live in an ''xx''-speaking country), but don't actually understand it at all, or not well enough to qualify for <code>xx-1</code>. You '''do not need''' to use <code>xx-0</code> for ''every'' language you do not know.
;<code>xx-1</code>
:You can understand a language well enough to use an article as a source for writings in your own language, and to ask and answer simple questions in it, e.g. on a user talk page (possibly with the aid of a bilingual dictionary), but are unable to contribute significantly to an article in that language.
;<code>xx-2</code>
:You can contribute to articles in a language to some extent, but are not confident in writing in it. Someone using this template will most likely not be fluent in a language but will understand the general idea as well as many details in an article (although a poorly educated native speaker may use this template). This template might be used by editors who have a sizable vocabulary as well as good understanding of the grammar of the language in question, but who might have trouble creating new articles or writing in an encyclopedic style. You would most likely be able to coherently translate most articles using a dictionary.
;<code>xx-3</code>
:You are confident in writing in a language in an encyclopedic style, but may make minor mistakes, and have trouble with some of the most peculiar features of the language. You should probably only need a monolingual dictionary to understand any non-technical article.
;<code>xx-4</code>
:You are as proficient in writing and understanding articles in an encyclopedic style as an average educated native speaker of ''xx''. Since users of this template are usually ''not'' native speakers themselves (because of its wording, and because the <code>xx</code> template for native speakers corresponds to the same level of proficiency in encyclopedic written language as <code>xx-4</code>, unless otherwise specified), they ''might'' be (but not necessarily are) unfamiliar with some colloquialisms (which are generally not used in an encyclopedia, anyway), some aspects of popular culture of ''xx''-speaking countries, etc.
;<code>xx-5</code>
:You work in a field in which proficiency in the formal written language is essential, for example as a writer, a copy-editor, a language teacher, …; you are willing to give advice about language issues such as grammar, punctuation, etc. if requested (for the language of the project on which the template is used, English in this case), or to help in translations from this language (for other languages). If you also are an ''xx'' native speaker, you should use both <code>xx</code> and <code>xx-5</code>.
;<code>xx</code>
:For native speakers. You should use this template if you have lived in an ''xx''-speaking community and employed it in all everyday situations long enough that now you have a perfect grasp of it, including colloquialisms.
:This means that if you moved from an ''xx''-speaking country to a ''yy''-speaking country at age 6, and have never again spoken ''xx'', you should classify yourself as a native speaker of ''yy'' and not of ''xx'', even if you used to speak nothing but ''xx'' as a child.
:Should you have moved as an adult, you should decide by yourself, according to your own "feel", and thus might have ''several'' "native" languages.
However, given the number of students running around and the fact that there aren't nearly as many native Japanese here as on Wikipedia, I suggest a more granular system.
==Sanity Checks==
If you're not at home using a JA-JA dictionary or looking up references on the Japanese internet, you're not JA-3.
If you're using a Rikai browser extension to translate, you're probably JA-1.
If you're JA-2, you should be able to read (most) manga unassisted, a light novel at a comfortable pace with assistance, and write coherently without assistance.
===Rejected Draft===
I wrote this up, but I think it's somewhat off. Still thinking it over.
* <span style="color:#d0d0d0">JA-0: You don't know Japanese, or only know fragments.</span>
* <span style="color:#d0d0d0">JA-0.5: You can transliterate Japanese with the assistance of a dictionary tool and grammar reference.</span>
* <span style="color:#d0d0d0">JA-1: You can read and write Japanese with the occasional assistance of a JA-EN dictionary.</span>
* <span style="color:#d0d0d0">JA-1.5: You can read manga without assistance, a light novel at a comfortable pace with assistance, and write (badly) without assistance. </span>
* <span style="color:#d0d0d0">JA-2: You would be comfortable editing the Japanese Wikipedia.</span>
* <span style="color:#d0d0d0">JA-2+: You could pick up a random book on the 太平洋戦争 from the library and write an intelligent review in your native language.</span>
* <span style="color:#d0d0d0">JA-3: You could write a Japanese encyclopedia article.</span>
* <span style="color:#d0d0d0">JA-3+: You could write a term paper in Japanese from Japanese sources.</span>
* <span style="color:#d0d0d0">JA-4: You are as proficient in Japanese as your native language.</span>
* <span style="color:#d0d0d0">JA: Japanese is your native language.</span>
==Wikipedia References==
{{reflist}}
==Translation==
As part of organizing translations I was hoping to create an organized list of translators by level. Wikipedia has the following standards:<ref name="Wikipedia:Babel">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Babel</ref>
<pre>
* xx-1 for basic ability - enough to understand written material or simple questions in this language.
* xx-2 for intermediate ability - enough for editing or discussions.
* xx-3 for advanced level - though you can write in this language with no problem, some small errors might occur.
* xx-4 for 'near-native' level - although it's not your first language from birth, your ability is something like that of a native speaker.
* xx (no hyphen or number) for native-born speakers who use a language every day and have a thorough grasp of it, including colloquialisms and idioms.
</pre>
Expanded definitions: <ref name="Wikipedia:Babel/Levels">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Babel/Levels</ref>
;<code>xx-0</code>
:You might be expected to understand a language (e.g. if you often contribute to articles about it, or you live in an ''xx''-speaking country), but don't actually understand it at all, or not well enough to qualify for <code>xx-1</code>. You '''do not need''' to use <code>xx-0</code> for ''every'' language you do not know.
;<code>xx-1</code>
:You can understand a language well enough to use an article as a source for writings in your own language, and to ask and answer simple questions in it, e.g. on a user talk page (possibly with the aid of a bilingual dictionary), but are unable to contribute significantly to an article in that language.
;<code>xx-2</code>
:You can contribute to articles in a language to some extent, but are not confident in writing in it. Someone using this template will most likely not be fluent in a language but will understand the general idea as well as many details in an article (although a poorly educated native speaker may use this template). This template might be used by editors who have a sizable vocabulary as well as good understanding of the grammar of the language in question, but who might have trouble creating new articles or writing in an encyclopedic style. You would most likely be able to coherently translate most articles using a dictionary.
;<code>xx-3</code>
:You are confident in writing in a language in an encyclopedic style, but may make minor mistakes, and have trouble with some of the most peculiar features of the language. You should probably only need a monolingual dictionary to understand any non-technical article.
;<code>xx-4</code>
:You are as proficient in writing and understanding articles in an encyclopedic style as an average educated native speaker of ''xx''. Since users of this template are usually ''not'' native speakers themselves (because of its wording, and because the <code>xx</code> template for native speakers corresponds to the same level of proficiency in encyclopedic written language as <code>xx-4</code>, unless otherwise specified), they ''might'' be (but not necessarily are) unfamiliar with some colloquialisms (which are generally not used in an encyclopedia, anyway), some aspects of popular culture of ''xx''-speaking countries, etc.
;<code>xx-5</code>
:You work in a field in which proficiency in the formal written language is essential, for example as a writer, a copy-editor, a language teacher, …; you are willing to give advice about language issues such as grammar, punctuation, etc. if requested (for the language of the project on which the template is used, English in this case), or to help in translations from this language (for other languages). If you also are an ''xx'' native speaker, you should use both <code>xx</code> and <code>xx-5</code>.
;<code>xx</code>
:For native speakers. You should use this template if you have lived in an ''xx''-speaking community and employed it in all everyday situations long enough that now you have a perfect grasp of it, including colloquialisms.
:This means that if you moved from an ''xx''-speaking country to a ''yy''-speaking country at age 6, and have never again spoken ''xx'', you should classify yourself as a native speaker of ''yy'' and not of ''xx'', even if you used to speak nothing but ''xx'' as a child.
:Should you have moved as an adult, you should decide by yourself, according to your own "feel", and thus might have ''several'' "native" languages.
However, given the number of students running around and the fact that there aren't nearly as many native Japanese here as on Wikipedia, I suggest a more granular system.
==Sanity Checks==
If you're not at home using a JA-JA dictionary or looking up references on the Japanese internet, you're not JA-3.
If you're using a Rikai browser extension to translate, you're probably JA-1.
If you're JA-2, you should be able to read (most) manga unassisted, a light novel at a comfortable pace with assistance, and write coherently without assistance.
===Rejected Draft===
I wrote this up, but I think it's somewhat off. Still thinking it over.
* <span style="color:#d0d0d0">JA-0: You don't know Japanese, or only know fragments.</span>
* <span style="color:#d0d0d0">JA-0.5: You can transliterate Japanese with the assistance of a dictionary tool and grammar reference.</span>
* <span style="color:#d0d0d0">JA-1: You can read and write Japanese with the occasional assistance of a JA-EN dictionary.</span>
* <span style="color:#d0d0d0">JA-1.5: You can read manga without assistance, a light novel at a comfortable pace with assistance, and write (badly) without assistance. </span>
* <span style="color:#d0d0d0">JA-2: You would be comfortable editing the Japanese Wikipedia.</span>
* <span style="color:#d0d0d0">JA-2+: You could pick up a random book on the 太平洋戦争 from the library and write an intelligent review in your native language.</span>
* <span style="color:#d0d0d0">JA-3: You could write a Japanese encyclopedia article.</span>
* <span style="color:#d0d0d0">JA-3+: You could write a term paper in Japanese from Japanese sources.</span>
* <span style="color:#d0d0d0">JA-4: You are as proficient in Japanese as your native language.</span>
* <span style="color:#d0d0d0">JA: Japanese is your native language.</span>
==Wikipedia References==
{{reflist}}