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==Mechanics==
 
==Mechanics==
 
<onlyinclude>{{Smoke}} '''[[Smoke Generator]]s''' can be used in combat to deploy a smoke screen.
 
<onlyinclude>{{Smoke}} '''[[Smoke Generator]]s''' can be used in combat to deploy a smoke screen.
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{{Clear}}
 
{{Clear}}
  
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[[File:Smoke Button.png|thumb|220px|Smoke activation button next to the Formation ones.]]
 
[[File:Smoke Button.png|thumb|220px|Smoke activation button next to the Formation ones.]]
 
*If equipped, it can be activated with a specific button when [[Fleet Preview|selecting the formation]].
 
*If equipped, it can be activated with a specific button when [[Fleet Preview|selecting the formation]].
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** Each {{Equipment/Link|Smoke Generator (Smoke Screen)}} counts as 1,
 
** Each {{Equipment/Link|Smoke Generator (Smoke Screen)}} counts as 1,
 
** Each {{Equipment/Link|Smoke Generator Kai (Smoke Screen)}} counts as 2,
 
** Each {{Equipment/Link|Smoke Generator Kai (Smoke Screen)}} counts as 2,
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** {{Star}} [[improvement]]s of the generator [https://twitter.com/Nanano88_/status/1777318858845749464][https://twitter.com/DjArpeggio/status/1777361218925420902?t=LadScMNhTupd4Gbj-LkZSw&s=19].
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** {{Star}} [[improvement]]s of the generator can also count as 1 ([https://twitter.com/Nanano88_/status/1777318858845749464][https://twitter.com/DjArpeggio/status/1777361218925420902?t=LadScMNhTupd4Gbj-LkZSw&s=19]).
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*There is no formula yet, but a measure of trigger rate can be found here: [https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1I_HMplw81mR7g9_jUKRmI7ylhlhKkuvGKtrpj3DJ9zo/edit#gid=0|here].
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Two formulas have been determined to approximate the trigger rate of smoke screens.  
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*The 2nd formula is based on the 1st one with additional hypothesis,
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*A measurement of the trigger rate can be found ''[https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1I_HMplw81mR7g9_jUKRmI7ylhlhKkuvGKtrpj3DJ9zo/edit#gid=0 here]'',
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*Both formulas can be directly compared ''[https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tEqI13g2LmzR0L8N-I39W6mgmAyc8DxJ-R0_qlEkjlQ/edit?gid=1505561028#gid=1505561028 here]''.
 
*It is possible to have a total trigger rate for all 3 sizes of 100%, giving the FS has enough luck & enough generators are used.
 
*It is possible to have a total trigger rate for all 3 sizes of 100%, giving the FS has enough luck & enough generators are used.
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{|class="wikitable mw-collapsible mw-collapsed" width="100%"
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!colspan=3|Trigger Rate Formula 1 [https://x.com/yukicacoon/status/1739481809375895854]
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|-
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|colspan=3|
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{|style="padding:10px; margin:20px; border:1px solid orange; border-radius:10px"
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|valign="center"|<math>\text{P}_\text{0} = 3.2 - 0.2 \times \text{K} - \text{N}_\text{Generator}</math>
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|}
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*''If <math> \text{Luck}_\text{flag} ≥ 1 \text{ & } \text{N}_\text{Generator} ≥ 3</math>, then <math>\text{P}_\text{0} = 0</math>
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{|style="padding:10px; margin:20px; border:1px solid orange; border-radius:10px"
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|valign="center"| <math>\text{K} = \bigg\lceil \sqrt{ \text{Luck}_\text{flag} } + 0.3 \times \bigstar_\text{base} + 0.5 \times \bigstar_\text{Kai} \bigg\rceil</math>
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|}
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|-
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!<math>\text{N}_\text{Generator} = 1</math>
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!<math>\text{N}_\text{Generator} = 2</math>
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!<math>\text{N}_\text{Generator} ≥ 3</math>
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|-
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|
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{|style="padding:10px; margin:20px; border:1px solid orange; border-radius:10px"
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|valign="center"| <math>\begin{align}
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\text{P}_\text{1} &= 1 - \text{P}_\text{0} \\
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\text{P}_\text{2} &= 0 \\
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\text{P}_\text{3} &= 0
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\end{align}</math>
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|}
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|
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{|style="padding:10px; margin:20px; border:1px solid orange; border-radius:10px"
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|valign="center"| <math>\begin{align}
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\text{P}_\text{1} &= 1 - \text{P}_\text{0} - \text{P}_\text{2} \\
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\text{P}_\text{2} &= 0.05 \times ( 1 - \text{P}_\text{0} ) \times ( \text{K} + 2 ) \\
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\text{P}_\text{3} &= 0
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\end{align}</math>
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|}
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|
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{|style="padding:10px; margin:20px; border:1px solid orange; border-radius:10px"
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|valign="center"| <math>\begin{align}
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\text{P}_\text{1} &= 1 - \text{P}_\text{2} - \text{P}_\text{3} \\
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\text{P}_\text{2} &= \min ( 0.3 ; 1 - \text{P}_\text{3}) \\
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\text{P}_\text{3} &= X \times \text{K} + 0.15 \times ( \text{N}_\text{Generator} - 3 )
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\end{align}</math>
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|}
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*''The X coefficient is unclear yet, being about 0.04~0.045.
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|-
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|colspan=3|
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;With
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*<math>\text{P}_\text{0}, \text{P}_\text{1}, \text{P}_\text{2}, \text{P}_\text{3}</math> the respective rates for the trigger of smokes levels 0 to 3,
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*<math>\text{N}_\text{Generator}</math> the amount of Smoke Generators:
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**Each [[Smoke Generator (Smoke Screen)|base generator]] count as 1,
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**Each [[Smoke Generator Kai (Smoke Screen)|Kai generator]] count as 2,
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**A very high [[improvement]] {{Star}} level (~ ≥ 17) counts as 1.
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*<math>\text{Luck}_\text{flag}</math> the flagship's luck,
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*<math>\bigstar_\text{base}</math> the total [[improvement]] {{Star}} level of the [[Smoke Generator (Smoke Screen)|base generators]],
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*<math>\bigstar_\text{Kai}</math> the total [[improvement]] {{Star}} level of the [[Smoke Generator Kai (Smoke Screen)|Kai generators]],
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|}
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{|class="wikitable mw-collapsible mw-collapsed" width="100%"
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!colspan=3|Trigger Rate Formula 2 [https://x.com/Xe_UCH/status/1767407602554855730]
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|-
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|colspan=3|
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{|style="padding:10px; margin:20px; border:1px solid orange; border-radius:10px"
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|valign="center"|<math>\text{Level 0}_\text{Rate %} = \max \big( 0 ; \min ( 100 ; 3.2 - 0.2 \times \text{K} - \text{N}_\text{Generator} ) \big)</math>
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|}
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*''If <math> \text{Luck}_\text{flag} ≥ 1 \text{ & } \text{N}_\text{Generator} ≥ 3</math>, then <math>\text{Level 0}_\text{Rate %} = 0</math>
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{|style="padding:10px; margin:20px; border:1px solid orange; border-radius:10px"
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|valign="center"| <math>\text{K} = 5 \times \text{N}_\text{Generator} + 1.5 \times \sqrt{ \text{Luck}_\text{flag} } + 0.3 \times \bigstar_\text{base} + 0.5 \times \bigstar_\text{Kai}</math>
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|}
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|-
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!<math>\text{N}_\text{Generator} = 1</math>
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!<math>\text{N}_\text{Generator} = 2</math>
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!<math>\text{N}_\text{Generator} ≥ 3</math>
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|-
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|
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{|style="padding:10px; margin:20px; border:1px solid orange; border-radius:10px"
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|valign="center"| <math>\begin{align}
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\text{Level 1}_\text{Rate %} &= 100 - \text{Level 0}_\text{Rate %} \\
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\text{Level 2}_\text{Rate %} &= 0 \\
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\text{Level 3}_\text{Rate %} &= 0
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\end{align}</math>
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|}
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|
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{|style="padding:10px; margin:20px; border:1px solid orange; border-radius:10px"
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|valign="center"| <math>\begin{align}
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\text{Level 1}_\text{Rate %} &= ( 100 - \text{Level 2}_\text{Rate %} ) \times ( 1 - \text{Level 0}_\text{Rate %} ) \\
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\text{Level 2}_\text{Rate %} &= ( 3 \times \big\lceil \text{K} - 5 \big\rceil + 1 ) \times ( 1 - \text{Level 0}_\text{Rate %} ) \\
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\text{Level 3}_\text{Rate %} &= 0
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\end{align}</math>
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|}
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|
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{|style="padding:10px; margin:20px; border:1px solid orange; border-radius:10px"
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|valign="center"| <math>\begin{align}
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\text{Level 1}_\text{Rate %} &= \min ( 0 ; 100 - \text{Level 2}_\text{Rate %} - \text{Level 3}_\text{Rate %}) \\
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\text{Level 2}_\text{Rate %} &= \min ( 30 ; 100 - \text{Level 3}_\text{Rate %} ) \\
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\text{Level 3}_\text{Rate %} &= 3 \times \big\lceil \text{K} - 15 \big\rceil + 1
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\end{align}</math>
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|}
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|-
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|colspan=3|
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;With
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*<math>\text{N}_\text{Generator}</math> the amount of Smoke Generators:
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**Each [[Smoke Generator (Smoke Screen)|base generator]] count as 1,
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**Each [[Smoke Generator Kai (Smoke Screen)|Kai generator]] count as 2,
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**A very high [[improvement]] {{Star}} level (~ ≥ 17) counts as 1.
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*<math>\text{Luck}_\text{flag}</math> the flagship's luck,
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*<math>\bigstar_\text{base}</math> the total [[improvement]] {{Star}} level of the [[Smoke Generator (Smoke Screen)|base generators]],
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*<math>\bigstar_\text{Kai}</math> the total [[improvement]] {{Star}} level of the [[Smoke Generator Kai (Smoke Screen)|Kai generators]],
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|}
 
{{Clear}}
 
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**{{Color|red|Please note that these are initial estimations and are subject to change.}}
 
**{{Color|red|Please note that these are initial estimations and are subject to change.}}
 
** It is currently unknown if the airstrike accuracy is affected by the smoke.
 
** It is currently unknown if the airstrike accuracy is affected by the smoke.
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** Some modifiers are impossible to determine because the fleet hit the lower bound hit rate (11% hard cap).
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** Some modifiers are near {{Color|red|impossible}} to determine because the fleet hit the lower bound hit rate (11% hard cap).
 
** There are some inconsistencies between "old" and "new" enemies.
 
** There are some inconsistencies between "old" and "new" enemies.
 
** Having a ([[Surface Radar|surface ?]]) [[radar]] equipped reduces the smoke effect for both fleets, but only for the shelling phase.
 
** Having a ([[Surface Radar|surface ?]]) [[radar]] equipped reduces the smoke effect for both fleets, but only for the shelling phase.
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|rowspan=2|Allied
 
|rowspan=2|Allied
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|No||< 0.3||<0.33||<0.37
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|No||< 0.3||< 0.33||< 0.37
 
|-
 
|-
 
|Yes||0.35||0.25||< 0.37
 
|Yes||0.35||0.25||< 0.37
 
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|rowspan=2|Enemy
 
|rowspan=2|Enemy
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|No||< 0.69||< 0.7||<0.7
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|No||< 0.69||< 0.7||< 0.7
 
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|-
 
|Yes||0.91||0.83||0.75
 
|Yes||0.91||0.83||0.75
 
|-
 
|-
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!colspan=5|Torpedo Phase
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!colspan=5|[[Special Attack]]s<ref>https://x.com/matsu_class_dd/status/1810389374548443411?s=46&t=wqdHOiwZafhjQcIf6bODGA</ref>
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|-
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|colspan=2|Allied||colspan=3|1
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|-
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!colspan=5|Torpedo Phases
 
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!colspan=2|Fleet!!Type 1!!Type 2!!Type 3
 
!colspan=2|Fleet!!Type 1!!Type 2!!Type 3
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</tabber></onlyinclude>
  
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==Listed by stats==
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==Listed By Stats==
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{{EquipmentComparisonKai
 
{{EquipmentComparisonKai
 
|iterator = equipmentByTypeAndIcon|type = 54|icon = 54
 
|iterator = equipmentByTypeAndIcon|type = 54|icon = 54

Latest revision as of 13:13, 15 August 2024

This category contains all equipment or equipment types classified as Smoke Generators.

This category is populated by Template:EquipmentCategoriesKai. Please do not manually add pages to this category.

Mechanics

Smoke Generator Smoke Generators can be used in combat to deploy a smoke screen.

Example of a large smoke deployed.
  • There are 3 smoke screen sizes, being Small < Medium < Large.
    • The maximum smoke size that can be generated is dependent on the number of smoke generators, being respectively 1/2/3.
    • Note that Improved improvements also affect the maximum smoke level possible.
  • It sharply reduces the accuracy of all fleets, proportionally to the smoke screen size (the hit rate is still capped at 11%).
    • This effect can be partially bypassed by using radars (both sides).
  • The effect will last for the day battle, even so the animation will fade before the battle's end.

Smoke activation button next to the Formation ones.
  • If equipped, it can be activated with a specific button when selecting the formation.
    • It can be activated multiple times per sortie until it triggers, being triggerable once, in day battle only.
  • It cannot be activated in Exercises in the current implementation.
  • The trigger rate is not 100% and depends on the fleet's flagship's luck Luck, as well as the amount and type of Smoke Generators used.
    • For combined fleets, it is the luck of the main flagship.
    • The size of the triggered smoke screen depends on how many smoke generators are used.
  • It will only trigger at the beginning of the Shelling phase.

The 3 different smoke size

Two formulas have been determined to approximate the trigger rate of smoke screens.

  • The 2nd formula is based on the 1st one with additional hypothesis,
  • A measurement of the trigger rate can be found here,
  • Both formulas can be directly compared here.
  • It is possible to have a total trigger rate for all 3 sizes of 100%, giving the FS has enough luck & enough generators are used.
Trigger Rate Formula 1 [3]
[math]\displaystyle{ \text{P}_\text{0} = 3.2 - 0.2 \times \text{K} - \text{N}_\text{Generator} }[/math]
  • If [math]\displaystyle{ \text{Luck}_\text{flag} ≥ 1 \text{ & } \text{N}_\text{Generator} ≥ 3 }[/math], then [math]\displaystyle{ \text{P}_\text{0} = 0 }[/math]
[math]\displaystyle{ \text{K} = \bigg\lceil \sqrt{ \text{Luck}_\text{flag} } + 0.3 \times \bigstar_\text{base} + 0.5 \times \bigstar_\text{Kai} \bigg\rceil }[/math]
[math]\displaystyle{ \text{N}_\text{Generator} = 1 }[/math] [math]\displaystyle{ \text{N}_\text{Generator} = 2 }[/math] [math]\displaystyle{ \text{N}_\text{Generator} ≥ 3 }[/math]
[math]\displaystyle{ \begin{align} \text{P}_\text{1} &= 1 - \text{P}_\text{0} \\ \text{P}_\text{2} &= 0 \\ \text{P}_\text{3} &= 0 \end{align} }[/math]
[math]\displaystyle{ \begin{align} \text{P}_\text{1} &= 1 - \text{P}_\text{0} - \text{P}_\text{2} \\ \text{P}_\text{2} &= 0.05 \times ( 1 - \text{P}_\text{0} ) \times ( \text{K} + 2 ) \\ \text{P}_\text{3} &= 0 \end{align} }[/math]
[math]\displaystyle{ \begin{align} \text{P}_\text{1} &= 1 - \text{P}_\text{2} - \text{P}_\text{3} \\ \text{P}_\text{2} &= \min ( 0.3 ; 1 - \text{P}_\text{3}) \\ \text{P}_\text{3} &= X \times \text{K} + 0.15 \times ( \text{N}_\text{Generator} - 3 ) \end{align} }[/math]
  • The X coefficient is unclear yet, being about 0.04~0.045.
With
  • [math]\displaystyle{ \text{P}_\text{0}, \text{P}_\text{1}, \text{P}_\text{2}, \text{P}_\text{3} }[/math] the respective rates for the trigger of smokes levels 0 to 3,
  • [math]\displaystyle{ \text{N}_\text{Generator} }[/math] the amount of Smoke Generators:
  • [math]\displaystyle{ \text{Luck}_\text{flag} }[/math] the flagship's luck,
  • [math]\displaystyle{ \bigstar_\text{base} }[/math] the total improvement Improved level of the base generators,
  • [math]\displaystyle{ \bigstar_\text{Kai} }[/math] the total improvement Improved level of the Kai generators,
Trigger Rate Formula 2 [4]
[math]\displaystyle{ \text{Level 0}_\text{Rate %} = \max \big( 0 ; \min ( 100 ; 3.2 - 0.2 \times \text{K} - \text{N}_\text{Generator} ) \big) }[/math]
  • If [math]\displaystyle{ \text{Luck}_\text{flag} ≥ 1 \text{ & } \text{N}_\text{Generator} ≥ 3 }[/math], then [math]\displaystyle{ \text{Level 0}_\text{Rate %} = 0 }[/math]
[math]\displaystyle{ \text{K} = 5 \times \text{N}_\text{Generator} + 1.5 \times \sqrt{ \text{Luck}_\text{flag} } + 0.3 \times \bigstar_\text{base} + 0.5 \times \bigstar_\text{Kai} }[/math]
[math]\displaystyle{ \text{N}_\text{Generator} = 1 }[/math] [math]\displaystyle{ \text{N}_\text{Generator} = 2 }[/math] [math]\displaystyle{ \text{N}_\text{Generator} ≥ 3 }[/math]
[math]\displaystyle{ \begin{align} \text{Level 1}_\text{Rate %} &= 100 - \text{Level 0}_\text{Rate %} \\ \text{Level 2}_\text{Rate %} &= 0 \\ \text{Level 3}_\text{Rate %} &= 0 \end{align} }[/math]
[math]\displaystyle{ \begin{align} \text{Level 1}_\text{Rate %} &= ( 100 - \text{Level 2}_\text{Rate %} ) \times ( 1 - \text{Level 0}_\text{Rate %} ) \\ \text{Level 2}_\text{Rate %} &= ( 3 \times \big\lceil \text{K} - 5 \big\rceil + 1 ) \times ( 1 - \text{Level 0}_\text{Rate %} ) \\ \text{Level 3}_\text{Rate %} &= 0 \end{align} }[/math]
[math]\displaystyle{ \begin{align} \text{Level 1}_\text{Rate %} &= \min ( 0 ; 100 - \text{Level 2}_\text{Rate %} - \text{Level 3}_\text{Rate %}) \\ \text{Level 2}_\text{Rate %} &= \min ( 30 ; 100 - \text{Level 3}_\text{Rate %} ) \\ \text{Level 3}_\text{Rate %} &= 3 \times \big\lceil \text{K} - 15 \big\rceil + 1 \end{align} }[/math]
With
  • [math]\displaystyle{ \text{N}_\text{Generator} }[/math] the amount of Smoke Generators:
  • [math]\displaystyle{ \text{Luck}_\text{flag} }[/math] the flagship's luck,
  • [math]\displaystyle{ \bigstar_\text{base} }[/math] the total improvement Improved level of the base generators,
  • [math]\displaystyle{ \bigstar_\text{Kai} }[/math] the total improvement Improved level of the Kai generators,

  • The smoke gives an Accuracy malus to both fleets when used:
    • Please note that these are initial estimations and are subject to change.
    • It is currently unknown if the airstrike accuracy is affected by the smoke.
    • Some modifiers are near impossible to determine because the fleet hit the lower bound hit rate (11% hard cap).
    • There are some inconsistencies between "old" and "new" enemies.
    • Having a (surface ?) radar equipped reduces the smoke effect for both fleets, but only for the shelling phase.
[math]\displaystyle{ \text{Mod}_\text{smoke} }[/math][1]
Day Shelling
Fleet Radar Equipped Type 1 Type 2 Type 3
Allied No < 0.3 < 0.33 < 0.37
Yes 0.35 0.25 < 0.37
Enemy No < 0.69 < 0.7 < 0.7
Yes 0.91 0.83 0.75
Special Attacks[2]
Allied 1
Torpedo Phases
Fleet Type 1 Type 2 Type 3
Allied 0.45 0.42 0.42
Enemy 0.7 0.6 0.5
ASW
Allied 0.25
Enemy 1
  1. ↑ https://twitter.com/Divinity_123/status/1707331554228195746
  2. ↑ https://x.com/matsu_class_dd/status/1810389374548443411?s=46&t=wqdHOiwZafhjQcIf6bODGA

  • AA effects:
    • The smoke affects the allied shootdown but not the enemy shootdown.
    • No fixed shootdown above 2 has been observed under a smoke.
    • The guaranteed shootdown does not seem to be affected.
    • A modifier to the Adjusted AA is suspected but there is not enough data to confirm it.
  • The Smoke reduce the Anti-Air Rocket Barrage trigger rate either directly or by reducing the Adjusted AA.

Listed By Stats

No. Rarity Name Equipment Type Evasion Refittable Types Craftable Improvable Notes
500
☆
 		Smoke Generator (Smoke Screen)Equipment Card Smoke Generator (Smoke Screen).png
Smoke Generator.png 発煙装置(煙幕) 		Surface Ship Equipment 1 DE, DD, CL, CLT, CA, CAV, FBB (Only: Richelieu Deux), BBV (Only: Fusou Kai Ni, Yamashiro Kai Ni), AV (Only: Mikuma Kai Ni Toku), CT, AO (Only: Souya (AGB), Souya (AGL), Souya (AGS)) ✔️ ✔️
501
☆
☆
 		Smoke Generator Kai (Smoke Screen)Equipment Card Smoke Generator Kai (Smoke Screen).png
Smoke Generator.png 発煙装置改(煙幕) 		3 ❌ ❌
No. Rarity Name Equipment Type Evasion Refittable Types Craftable Improvable Notes

Pages in category "Smoke Generators"

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